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[Overgaard]

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I use five export presets out of Capture One or Lightroom. Five of them are for digital use and one for print. I guess the proper workflow would be to export screen-editions 72dpi Display P3 and a set of sRGB for social, web, etc. and then for print, full-size 300dpi TIFF or JPG in Adobe RGB.

 

Edited December 8, 2024 by Overgaard

[jaapv]

Added to which - not all printers that are allegedly Adobe RGB capable manage to produce a print that is visibly better than their sRGB output. 😒 
It really takes the more upmarket ones from Epson and Canon to make a visible difference (and don't start me on papers and profiles...)

And only nerds like our forum members calibrate their screens regularly or own self-calibrating ones.

[hdmesa]

2 hours ago, Overgaard said:

I use five export presets out of Capture One or Lightroom. Five of them are for digital use and one for print. I guess the proper workflow would be to export screen-editions 72dpi Display P3 and a set of sRGB for social, web, etc....

+ @jaapv 

Display P3 is supported by Meta apps on iOS and Android. It's also supported by the mobile os default browsers.

Display P3 color space is fully supported by Windows. I believe it was fully adopted around 2016.

Since we're coming up on nine years since widespread Display P3 adoption, I think you'd be safe completely abandoning sRGB.

2 hours ago, Overgaard said:

... and then for print, full-size 300dpi TIFF or JPG in Adobe RGB.

For high end printing, I would send them a TIFF in a wider more modern color space like ProPhoto. Always consult with them since they'll have a preference that gives the best results with their equipment.

For everyday printing, most places wouldn't know a profile from a plum. They just want JPEGs, and we can only hope for the best 🙃

Edited December 8, 2024 by hdmesa

[jaapv]

I have a three-year old 4K Samsung "Pro" secondary screen - for panels etc. It only supports sRGB...

[LocalHero1953]

A helpful discussion - I've just updated my various Lightroom jpg export profiles.

As an exercise I exported the same file as a jpg, with sRGB, AdobeRGB, Display P3 and ProphotoRGB colour spaces. The sizes were 6.7, 6.5, 6.4 and 5.8 megabytes respectively. Doing the same as tiffs, created four identically sized files, ten times larger.

[jaapv]

9 minutes ago, jaapv said:

I have a three-year old 4K Samsung "Pro" secondary screen - for panels etc. It only supports sRGB...

Just tested the thing - the screen converted Adobe RGB acceptably to its native sRGB colour space.  I tend to use Adobe RGB over P3. They are approximately the same size, P3 more biased to red, Adobe more to green My main monitor is exactly Adobe RGB and I tell myself it has a slight advantage for landscapes -yet to be actually seen though. 

[hdmesa]

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12 minutes ago, jaapv said:

I have a three-year old 4K Samsung "Pro" secondary screen - for panels etc. It only supports sRGB...

I might be wrong, but I thought I remember reading that modern browsers convert Display P3 images to sRGB on the fly when your system monitor profile is sRGB-only.

Just from an equipment standpoint, though, only buy an sRGB monitor for your computers dedicated to spreadsheets and word processing.

[jaapv]

Yes, but this is shifting the image from one screen to another within the same system. No major problems. I agree about your assessment of various monitors. I have mine to display the Photoshop panels. And -confession-to check the way my sharpening looks on a 4K monitor. 

[hdmesa]

1 minute ago, jaapv said:

Yes, but this is shifting the image from one screen to another within the same system. No major problems. 

Are you viewing in Photoshop/LRC and just moving the window around? The operating system is likely handling this. Try opening the Adobe RGB JPEG in a browser and see if it looks flat on either monitor.

[hdmesa]

Also you may want to try exporting a wide color range DNG file (something with the greens you like to preserve) using both Adobe RGB and Display P3. Open both exported files in a web browser window – move the window between screens and see what you prefer.

[hdmesa]

20 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:

...sRGB, AdobeRGB, Display P3 and ProphotoRGB colour spaces...

You may want to open them all in separate web browser windows to see what you think about how they will display online. However note that Display P3 is the widest color space supported by Meta mobile apps.

[Jeff S]

2 hours ago, jaapv said:

And only nerds like our forum members calibrate their screens regularly or own self-calibrating ones.

🤓

Jeff

[LocalHero1953]

13 minutes ago, hdmesa said:

You may want to open them all in separate web browser windows to see what you think about how they will display online. However note that Display P3 is the widest color space supported by Meta mobile apps.

In Safari I can't see any significant difference on my MacBook Pro (M1 Pro). I am running Brave on my PC, with a (calibrated) Eizo AdobeRGB monitor, and will check that later.

Edited December 8, 2024 by LocalHero1953

[jaapv]

Interesting read: 

https://www.francescogola.net/tutorial/dci-display-p3-color-spaces-and-photographic-printing/

Especially the bit about printing. 

[hdmesa]

9 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:

In Safari I can't see any significant difference on my MacBook Pro (M1 Pro). I am running Brave on my PC, with a (calibrated) Eizo AdobeRGB monitor, and will check that later.

Thanks. I think modern operating systems and browsers are pretty good at converting the most common color spaces to the working color space of the viewer. Maybe Adobe RGB images turning "flat" is a thing of the past now.

Making a private Instagram dummy account would also let you post all of them in a single image carousel you could swipe through – preferably viewed on a Display P3 capably device like an iPhone.

[LocalHero1953]

5 minutes ago, hdmesa said:

Thanks. I think modern operating systems and browsers are pretty good at converting the most common color spaces to the working color space of the viewer. Maybe Adobe RGB images turning "flat" is a thing of the past now.

Making a private Instagram dummy account would also let you post all of them in a single image carousel you could swipe through – preferably viewed on a Display P3 capably device like an iPhone.

The files are currently on Onedrive - opened with the Onedrive app on my iPhone they still look effectively the same. 

[hdmesa]

4 minutes ago, jaapv said:

Interesting read: 

https://www.francescogola.net/tutorial/dci-display-p3-color-spaces-and-photographic-printing/

Good read.

When printing to a home color printer, each device will have a best practice color space and/or way of printing. Some printer directions might say to use a wide color space like ProPhoto RGB and let the printer do the conversion. Some might have a preferred color space like Adobe RGB. If having a service bureau print your images, you would have to ask them.

But like the article says, Display P3 was designed for viewing on screen and not for printing.

[hdmesa]

2 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:

The files are currently on Onedrive - opened with the Onedrive app on my iPhone they still look effectively the same. 

That's good news. Sounds like iOS is smart about converting each to Display P3 on the fly. Either that or the differences are hard for us to see unless we have an image that plays to the strengths or weaknesses of a given color space (heavy greens vs heavy reds for instance).

Putting them all in an IG or FB post might be the last remaining step to make sure nothing gets screwed up (since we know Meta resaves/recompresses the images to post them).

Edited December 8, 2024 by hdmesa

[LocalHero1953]

21 minutes ago, hdmesa said:

That's good news. Sounds like iOS is smart about converting each to Display P3 on the fly. Either that or the differences are hard for us to see unless we have an image that plays to the strengths or weaknesses of a given color space (heavy greens vs heavy reds for instance).

Putting them all in an IG or FB post might be the last remaining step to make sure nothing gets screwed up (since we know Meta resaves/recompresses the images to post them).

I put them in a private FB post - they still look the same on my iPhone in the FB app - as far as I can tell at that size. At least they look as I would have wanted them to.

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[hdmesa]

1 minute ago, LocalHero1953 said:

I put them in a private FB post - they still look the same on my iPhone in the FB app - as far as I can tell at that size. At least they look as I would have wanted them to.

That is fascinating, thanks for testing it. Adobe RGB not displaying as "flat" is a great outcome. I guess it makes sense as I assume the FB app would be remapping everything to Display P3 on the fly versus "clipping" it like a cookie cutter that leaves dough on the table so to speak.