Guest tummydoc Posted January 19, 2008 Share #181 Posted January 19, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Remember that Vinay claims to have spent - from memory, and I'm prepared to be corrected here - some $500,000 on Leica cameras and lenses. I imagine when the M9 comes out he'll be first in line to try and buy one regardless of how he may criticise others who wish to do the same thing. Glad you're prepared to be corrected...That's a fair approximation of the recent worth of my Leica collection, but I paid significantly less for it...and in the interest of honest disclosure, it has been worth significantly more than it is now. And after having gone through two buggy, fatally-inflicted M8s before finally procuring one which is functional, you may wager substantially that I will most assuredly not be buying an M9 for at least a year after its introduction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest tummydoc Posted January 19, 2008 Share #182 Posted January 19, 2008 I think the M8 will be seen in time as a stepping stone, not a timeless classic. I think in the eyes of many, the M8 attained that status within a month of its debut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodda Posted January 19, 2008 Share #183 Posted January 19, 2008 Anybody know when the full frame version if the D300 will be out. I like the D3 but it is to big. ANy thoughts would be appreciated I currently have a D70 and a M8. Never use the D70 but would use a DSLR for action etc if it was as good as D3 or 1DS Mk3. Was tempted by 5D but it did even less for me than a photcopier:). I have to admire it though. I am a tactile user hence Nikon and Leica Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted January 19, 2008 Share #184 Posted January 19, 2008 One of the features of the D3/D300 that nobody's really mentioned here is the new eye popping preview screens they have. Hopefully Leica will implement something close in the M9. With the Nikon's a lot less of "it'll look a lot lot better than that, trust me" to the art director, etc. Of course it's a matter of software as well - hopefully we'll see better jpegs and DNG thumbnail rendering for the M8 down the road at some point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stnolan Posted January 19, 2008 Share #185 Posted January 19, 2008 It's got to be at least a year. The D3- D300 release was a major event for Nikon and a tremendous amount of marketing $ spent. That being said, I would jump on a full frame D300 sized camera in a hot second. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monza Posted January 19, 2008 Share #186 Posted January 19, 2008 It's got to be at least a year. The D3- D300 release was a major event for Nikon and a tremendous amount of marketing $ spent. That being said, I would jump on a full frame D300 sized camera in a hot second. Yup. Unfortunately. If they had a FF D300 today, it would need to be $5k so as to not take sales from the D3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSL Posted January 19, 2008 Share #187 Posted January 19, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yup. Unfortunately. If they had a FF D300 today, it would need to be $5k so as to not take sales from the D3. Exactly. Nikon probably has a full frame successor to the D300 already in prototype, but it wouldn't make any marketing sense to release it now. By the time they do release it, you can be sure it'll work exactly as advertised: won't need IR filters on the lenses, won't have green streaks on the images, won't have sudden-death syndrome, won't keep firing the shutter even if it's turned off, etc., etc., etc. On the other hand, you can be pretty sure it won't have the same quality build as the D3, and won't include some of its features. It's going to be a while before Nikon starts cutting into the market for the D3. I'd guess next fall they'll come out with an FX-sized D3X with more than 20 megapixels, but lower ISOs. They won't want to cut into that market either. Photographically, we live in "interesting times." That's a Chinese curse, but all the same, interesting is interesting. Film may not be dead, but it's looking more and more like a zombie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted January 20, 2008 Share #188 Posted January 20, 2008 Maybe someone could explain something to me. Just why does the D3 have to be SO BIG. Why is the extra bottom section added. I can see this in film cameras when you needed a motor drive but in digital it really makes no sense. If you wanted a vertical shutter release you buy and add the grip base and that gets you more battery time to. You can't tell me it is needed for the electronics of the camera. You get just about the same fuunctions from the D200/D300 as you get from the D2Xs/D3. I really think this is a hold over from the film days when a PRO photog would use a motor drive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted January 20, 2008 Share #189 Posted January 20, 2008 Ed, I expect the starting point is that users will want to be able to hold the camera securely and comfortably in portrait which makes a built in vertical grip a requirement and the camera is then sized to suit average sized hands for the target market. Add a vertical grip tp a D300 and it's pretty much D3 sized and uses space inefficiently because to the wasted space where the D300 battery goes. I don't expect to dismantle my D3 as I did one of my M8s but I have seen a D2X taken apart and it's pretty packed in there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted January 20, 2008 Share #190 Posted January 20, 2008 Film may not be dead, but it's looking more and more like a zombie. Russell - be so kind as to leave film out of this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted January 20, 2008 Share #191 Posted January 20, 2008 Waiting for my D3 now it is of course very early to speculate about a D3X, but if I am satisfied with my D3 - which I do not doubt because I was already pretty happy with my D2X - I might spend my money in a year or so on an additional D3X body, instead of the R10. This is what I fear many Leica DSLR users experience today - maybe also coming from a D300 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted January 20, 2008 Share #192 Posted January 20, 2008 We must pray to the gods who feed us, and must know their names. Just a quick heads-up: 'photokina' is always printed lower case, even when sentence-initial. Example: See 3rd paragraph at photokina - The Fair - Startpage - koelnmesse GmbH. --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tummydoc Posted January 20, 2008 Share #193 Posted January 20, 2008 Waiting for my D3 now it is of course very early to speculate about a D3X, but if I am satisfied with my D3 - which I do not doubt because I was already pretty happy with my D2X - I might spend my money in a year or so on an additional D3X body, instead of the R10. This is what I fear many Leica DSLR users experience today - maybe also coming from a D300 The R10 in any iteration is unlikely to pry very many Nikon/Canon users away from those marques. I've said before that Leica would be unwise to fashion the R10 in such a way as to alienate their tiny but dependably-loyal cohort of R buyers, by incorporating such decadent crutches of the feebleminded and frailhanded as autofocus or image stabilisation which that group has loudly denounced throughout the decade or two during which those features have become embraced by the rest of the photographic world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_livsey Posted January 20, 2008 Share #194 Posted January 20, 2008 tiny but dependably-loyal cohort of R buyers, by incorporating such decadent crutches of the feebleminded and frailhanded as autofocus or image stabilisation which that group has loudly denounced throughout the decade or two during which those features have become embraced by the rest of the photographic world. Is this denunciation in the same category as Nikon owners saying FF wasn't necessary or even "a good thing" ie will they forgive and forget when Leica actually do it ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monza Posted January 20, 2008 Share #195 Posted January 20, 2008 Proud to be feebleminded, fumblefingered, frailhanded, and dependent on crutches, while enjoying my M8 and D300. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted January 20, 2008 Share #196 Posted January 20, 2008 Well, I was always not happy with the Crop cameras, also Nikon. I could have changed to Canon and their FF - actually I tried several times, but was always kind of unhappy. Not fault of Canon, just I did not like it. So I was always desperately waiting for a FF Nikon. I am not desperate for a FF Leica DSLR, simply because I am already in the Nikon system now. And I figure out more and more that it today takes already lot of time and skills to operate one system perfectly. So having the M (M8) system and Nikon DSLRs are already 2 systems. The Leica R10 system would mean a third system and I made the experience this does not work. On the other side I would not trust my photographic future on Leica DSLRs alone, not because I think they will be bad, BUT because I expect very high prices for the cameras as well as the glass. And I simply do not want to spend this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSL Posted January 21, 2008 Share #197 Posted January 21, 2008 Russell - be so kind as to leave film out of this. Well, I can't reach it now with your link, but I read that Herb Keppler article some time back. Too bad Herb died. Each month when Pop Photography would arrive, I'd find Herb's article and read that first. This month Herb was gone. Good guy with a lot of background in the business of photography. We're going to miss him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodyspedden Posted January 21, 2008 Share #198 Posted January 21, 2008 Yup. Unfortunately. If they had a FF D300 today, it would need to be $5k so as to not take sales from the D3. Not necessarily! The Canon 5D is 2600 compared to $7999 for the 1Ds. I think both company's know who wants the full pro body and they will also want a cheaper alternative as a back up body. Woody Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monza Posted January 21, 2008 Share #199 Posted January 21, 2008 I haven't followed Canon products. Did the 5D come out at the same time as the 1Ds? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSL Posted January 21, 2008 Share #200 Posted January 21, 2008 I haven't followed Canon products. Did the 5D come out at the same time as the 1Ds? No. The EOS 1Ds came out in September 02. The 5D came out in Aug 05. Even the 1Ds Mk II was out by then. It came out in Sep 04. Canon made sure the 5D wouldn't take sales away from their flagship camera. These guys aren't stupid. I'd be willing to bet that Nikon already has a prototype of a full-frame prosumer camera, but you can bet they're not going to bring it out until sales on the D3 begin to flag. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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