Anfänger-Frage: M11 Dynamic Range

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1 hour ago, mpauliks said:

Is is trolling, if I provide detailed published charts? Or is it more about you doing influencer marketing here?

You are clearly asking questions in a manner design to have the respondents make a point for you. That is trolling unless you’re a college professor, and we have paid you to have us come up with the answer on our own.

[SrMi]

1 hour ago, mpauliks said:

Sure at lowest ISO you get max. DR, but at higher ISO you still have advantages in DR EV too. It is pretty much a linear curve. So if you have advantages at lowest ISO by x EV you have advantages at higher ISO by ca. that x EV.

When dual conversion gain is implemented (most modern sensors), the curves are not linear. That is the reason for the slight jump in DR at ISO 200.

[mpauliks]

vor 32 Minuten schrieb SrMi:

When dual conversion gain is implemented (most modern sensors), the curves are not linear. That is the reason for the slight jump in DR at ISO 200.

Does M11(M) have this? That could be the explanation to my question.

Edited October 9, 2024 by mpauliks

[SrMi]

1 hour ago, mpauliks said:

Does M11(M) have this? That could be the explanation to my question.

Yes, at ISO 200. Check the P2P and DxO DR curves. The point at which the dual conversion gain kicks in varies by camera model.

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4 hours ago, mpauliks said:

Sure at lowest ISO you get max. DR, but at higher ISO you still have advantages in DR EV too. It is pretty much a linear curve. So if you have advantages at lowest ISO by x EV you have advantages at higher ISO by ca. that x EV.

it is a pointless argument with dual native ISO, you can see it in the graf that is at 64 and 200 ISO

In any case, 15 stops are only at ISO 64

[mpauliks]

Thank you so much! Now I got really a riddle pretty solved for me! Will dig for myself into this a bit more for learning on new sensor technology.

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vor 15 Stunden schrieb Photoworks:

it is a pointless argument with dual native ISO, you can see it in the graf that is at 64 and 200 ISO

In any case, 15 stops are only at ISO 64

does M11 have 15 stops from your understanding of the charts at ISO 64?

Edited October 10, 2024 by mpauliks

[mpauliks]

Am 10.10.2024 um 10:22 schrieb mpauliks:

does M11 have 15 stops from your understanding of the charts at ISO 64?

Yes, I see the ca. 15 stops now. It is for print! Not for screen according to DxO. It is two charts. One for Print and one for Screen. I would say, riddle is solved.

[mpauliks]

Nutshell: If you are on print, yes there are according to measurements 15 stops. If you are on screen only, it is less.

[SrMi]

5 hours ago, mpauliks said:

Nutshell: If you are on print, yes there are according to measurements 15 stops. If you are on screen only, it is less.

HDR displays have a much higher DR than prints.

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vor 7 Stunden schrieb SrMi:

HDR displays have a much higher DR than prints.

I fear, DxO does not tell about their screen used? I do not know please. Current iMac 27 5k can do "only" 500 Nits anyway. Apple claims it get can do HDR10, but when reading about HDR10 specifications seems to start at 1000 Nits for it. Hoping on highend screens to get more affordable also for 8k. iPad Pros have excellent screens.

[Photoworks]

On 10/12/2024 at 2:03 PM, mpauliks said:

I fear, DxO does not tell about their screen used? I do not know please. Current iMac 27 5k can do "only" 500 Nits anyway. Apple claims it get can do HDR10, but when reading about HDR10 specifications seems to start at 1000 Nits for it. Hoping on highend screens to get more affordable also for 8k. iPad Pros have excellent screens.

maybe it is time to lear what HDR editing is?

[SrMi]

7 hours ago, Photoworks said:

maybe it is time to lear what HDR editing is?

FWIW: without context, HDR editing can mean two things. On the one hand, it means merging bracketed exposures; on the other, it means editing for displays supporting HDR (vs. SDR).

I think we have a relevant context in this thread.

[mpauliks]

vor 10 Stunden schrieb Photoworks:

maybe it is time to lear what HDR editing is?

 

vor 2 Stunden schrieb SrMi:

FWIW: without context, HDR editing can mean two things. On the one hand, it means merging bracketed exposures; on the other, it means editing for displays supporting HDR (vs. SDR).

I think we have a relevant context in this thread.

Yes, I would be really curious to learn about HDR editing. Especially in LR Classic. Bracketing, I did try some years ago. Myself more interested in that "new" HDR button in LR. What is it about?

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43 minutes ago, mpauliks said:

 

Yes, I would be really curious to learn about HDR editing. Especially in LR Classic. Bracketing, I did try some years ago. Myself more interested in that "new" HDR button in LR. What is it about?

Here's a good intro from Adobe. https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2023/10/10/hdr-explained