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On 9/30/2024 at 9:10 AM, nicci78 said:

Q3 43 is a good news. However it is not the right answer. It is not manageable to buy a different Q each time we want another focal length.

Please Leica let us choose. Make a QL with a set of small lenses. And voilà. Instant success. No need for Q4.

 

I can't be faffing around changing lenses in the field, so that would not be a camera for me.

Neither is the Q3 43 a camera for me. If I want 43mm, I can crop the images from my Q2.

I would welcome a minimalist M camera, with a fixed 35mm lens, no screen, and possibly no exposure meter.

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On 9/30/2024 at 9:10 AM, nicci78 said:

Q3 43 is a good news. However it is not the right answer. It is not manageable to buy a different Q each time we want another focal length.

Please Leica let us choose. Make a QL with a set of small lenses. And voilà. Instant success. No need for Q4.

 

Some people are never satisfied!  Some people have too much spare cash to spend!

No! The 28mm Q3 is a great compromise offering most of the best of all possible worlds. If I want to lug around interchangeable lenses, I have my Canon R6. The whole point of the Q3 for me is having the excellent flexible 28mm lens and 60MP sensor, with which I am totally satisfied for 98% of the things I photograph.

David

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47 minutes ago, David Wien said:

Some people are never satisfied!  Some people have too much spare cash to spend!

No! The 28mm Q3 is a great compromise offering most of the best of all possible worlds. If I want to lug around interchangeable lenses, I have my Canon R6. The whole point of the Q3 for me is having the excellent flexible 28mm lens and 60MP sensor, with which I am totally satisfied for 98% of the things I photograph.

David

I fully agree.

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Exactly why would I want a Canon ?

SL3 is an okay camera, but still has the same issue as previous SL and SL2. It is freaking huge !

Q/Q2/Q3 are awesome cameras. But 28mm is a limiting factor. What about portraits ? Q3 43 is still not the answer. Do you really want to use it in small 90mm crop lines. 120/150mm are way too small to be usable. Just like 75/90mm in Q3 28

With stacked sensor, it would be possible for Leica to make a small full frame interchangeable lens camera. Just release a bunch of Summarit f/2.4 tiny lens and voilà. 

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3 hours ago, Simone_DF said:

But why would Leica want you to carry a Canon interchangeable lenses camera instead of a Leica interchangeable lenses camera?

They dont. Leica already has interchangeable lens cameras to sell at much higher prices than Canon, and there are many here who have them.

Accept it: the Q3 28mm is a winner!

David

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I sympathize with the original comment, most people don’t want huge and heavy lenses especially during family holidays. (Amateurs take pictures during holidays, unlike professional photographers). 

Personally I have being tempered to switch to Sony for some time: the A7CR with a 20-70 f/4 is almost perfect for this purpose, but I have not yet found the courage to change camera system. 

L-mount system offers something similar with the S9 and the 20-60 full frame lens. Add a small aps-c tele zoom lens (Leica TL 55-135) and a portrait prime (TL 35 or M 50 summicron) and you have everything you need for an holiday in a reasonably small package….Except for a mechanical shutter and an EVF!
I guess it’s impossible to get everything you want in a single system …ideally it would be an s9 with a good EVF and more megapixels (so I can use it with aps-c lenses and still have good picture quality). 
Who knows if it will ever happen.

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2 hours ago, David Wien said:

They dont. Leica already has interchangeable lens cameras to sell at much higher prices than Canon, and there are many here who have them.

Yup. I'm one of them, or at least I was until 2 months ago. But why aren't you? Clearly Leica did something wrong if you have a Canon and not a Leica - unless it was for budget reasons. 

2 hours ago, David Wien said:

Accept it: the Q3 28mm is a winner!

Nobody said the opposite. In fact, I'm about to get both the 28 and 43mm versions to replace my two SL APO lenses.

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22 hours ago, Simone_DF said:

Clearly Leica did something wrong if you have a Canon and not a Leica - unless it was for budget reasons.

Not having unlimited funds is the short answer.

I used Canon analog cameras (e.g. EOS 5) until about 2000. At that point I could not afford a Canon digital camera, so I got an Olympus, followed by a Minolta A1. When I could afford a Canon, it was a second-hand EOS 5D, but I was always disappointed with the results. I then bought a Sony RX100Va, which I still use and love (apart from the menus!). Fast forward to 2020 and I invested in a Canon EOS RP, which beat the EOS 5D hollow for results (I was never able to explain why). I then got an EOS R6, which was a further improvement. Up to then, Leica was never on the horizon, and had I known anything about their cameras I would have dismissed them as out of my price range. But I kept seeing photos in fora taken with the Q series and was impressed by their extreme clarity and resolution. I managed to get some raw files from an aquaintance on one of these fora, and was even more impressed by the potential of the 28mm lens and the 60MP sensor. So I raided my piggy bank and made the investment. Shooting with the Q3 requires a different technique from the Canon. I cant explain this; but it took some time to adapt.

I can still take good photos with the R6, but only if I am lucky enough to have the right lens with me (I have a selection of lenses between 12mm and 300mm, including a shift lens, and probably the RF16 is my favourite). If you have the right lens attached, the results are as good as the Q3; but I have a habit of leaving that lens at home!

So, unless I have a specific target in mind that requires one of the Canon lenses, I take the Q3 with me -- unless the weather is so bad that I dont expect to see anything worth taking, though having learnt from experience that this is never the case, I now take the RX100 on bad weather days.

But the cost of a Leica with multiple lenses is out of the question for me, and the kit would probably be too heavy for comfort. I am very satisfied with the Q3 and do not hanker after the 43mm version. I dont see an alternative out there that delivers the same quality.

David

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On 9/30/2024 at 9:21 AM, darylgo said:

Panasonic has it, compatible with Leica lenses, they have their own smaller and lighter lenses also.  The S9 is getting great reviews.  

The S9 is a blogging camera without an EVF so not on any way comparable in my view.

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15 minutes ago, nicci78 said:

With a stacked sensor a QL should be possible.

As mentioned many times before, you can call it what you like, but using the basic building blocks of a Q is a nonsensical place to start. The lens is built into the body, the leaf shutter is built into the lens, OIS is built into the lens, and there is no lens mount. Now what do you want to keep for an ILC? The sensor? Apparently not even that.

if you like the approach to the lens, then you need a whole new range of lenses. If you go with L-mount then you throw out the cleverness of the Q, and realistically will probably want to use lightweight Panasonic and Sigma lenses. You also throw out the aperture ring on the lens if you want to use SL lenses. That means you need an SL type system to control the variables.

The alternative is that Leica reluctantly recognizes that the CL was a good idea and that Fuji has shown APSC sensors and cameras have great potential. In the end you may be better off with the LUMIX S5II if the thought of lowering you standards to an APSC camera is too much to bear.

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I still think that QL is a better way to go than future Q4 in too many flavours. 

It is way easier to bring one body with several lenses than several not compact at all cameras. 

Stack sensor is making QL way more realistic in a near future. 

Let see if Leica is going the stack sensor route with a hypothetical SL3-S

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“Stack sensor is making QL way more realistic in a near future. 

Let see if Leica is going the stack sensor route with a hypothetical SL3-S”

Leica will not introduce a stacked sensor until M12 or SL4.

The SL3-S is scheduled to have the 47MP sensor from the Q2.

You still haven’t said what lens mount your mythical Q-Whatever is going to have and what autofocus lenses will work with it. If it’s Leica L mount lenses then the camera will need to be redesigned to handle lenses without an aperture ring, so more like an SL than Q.

If you take away the aperture ring on the lens, then I’m not sure what realistically remains from the Q. A fantasy at best?

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10 minutes ago, Le Chef said:

The SL3-S is scheduled to have the 47MP sensor from the Q2.

 

Source?

In which case I would not upgrade from the SL2-S. I have both and the Q2 is significantly worse in low light than the SL2-S: more noise in shadows, ugly noise patterns, and more limited colour in shadows. It would be a step backwards in IQ.

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