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[Kim Dahl]

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I am also an MD 262 user. I totally agree MxxD is just the camera I want.  

However, I have doubts about whether the "new" (inM11D) functions are an upgrade fon my MD.

but 1. USB charging.

2. I can transfer my photos to the iphone when I "take a break" ☕️

3. the "new" 60 million sensor, I don't know if it's an advantage - but if the colors are "leica M correct" then there will be more possible to go out with a lens and crop myself to the finished image. (yes, I'm perfectly fine with that)

But or totally agree . .. I haven't decided whether to replace it with my ME. I am keeping my "old" MD for now. The "old" MD is a fantastic camera.

[pgk]

5 hours ago, Malabito said:

Actually, I was always told to format in-camera and not outside the camera. This is how I've always done it and I've never had any issues with my M240, M10, or M11.

I've never had any issues formatting with my M9s.

[pgk]

11 hours ago, pippy said:

As a user of an M-D Typ-262 I very much do 'get' why a small number of photographers would choose (and appreciate their decision) to go down this path when shooting with a Leica M digital rangefinder camera. It's like using any Leica M film camera with TTL metering and the advantage (IMO) of a digital work-flow.

I see this, but .....

The rear screen enables so much more than just reviewing the image. And I can use any M camera in exactly this way already. Its more about a mindset I would suggest.

[algrove]

7 hours ago, Malabito said:

Actually, I was always told to format in-camera and not outside the camera. This is how I've always done it and I've never had any issues with my M240, M10, or M11.

Me too. Someone mentioned even in Leica literature that they also recommend formatting in-camera until the M11D.

[pippy]

1 hour ago, pgk said:

...The rear screen enables so much more than just reviewing the image. And I can use any M camera in exactly this way already. Its more about a mindset I would suggest...

In the main? Yes.

The reality is there is quite a bit more to it than that but for me to answer the point in any amount of meaningful detail would make for a very long-winded reply. I know because I've just tried - and decided to delete the whole screed instead of hitting the 'Submit Reply' button......😸......so perhaps someone with a more succinct writing-style will help-out?

Philip.

[Smudgerer]

7 minutes ago, pippy said:

In the main? Yes.

The reality is there is quite a bit more to it than that but for me to answer the point in any amount of meaningful detail would make for a very long-winded reply. I know because I've just tried - and decided to delete the whole screed instead of hitting the 'Submit Reply' button......😸......so perhaps someone with a more succinct writing-style will help-out?

Philip.

And yes again, in the main it is a "mind set"............"reality?" not so sure if that's possible. One only has to read, take your pick, any threads here on the forum and you'll find that there's pretty much no agreement as to what is the best way to do anything with a Leica, or any other camera, or maybe anything else here in life. The thing I have found about photography, and it's the "thing" I love about it, is if they are honest to the craft everyone has their own way of going about getting the images they want to make, with any camera. What works for me isn't likely to be what works for anyone else, not completely so anyway. So what pippy is saying here without saying anything "in detail" makes perfect sense to me, one has to find your own way, don't try to copy others, your way will be the best.

[lct]

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31 minutes ago, pippy said:

[...] so perhaps someone with a more succinct writing-style will help-out?

In can just offer a succint thinking. Bottom line it is a matter of taste. My reference has long been the Epson R-D1 that allowed to shoot the analogue way thanks to its reversible display. Now a single press on the FN button is enough to work with a black screen in RF mode on the basic M11. I don't need more but i have no masochistic tendencies 😉

 

[pippy]

41 minutes ago, Smudgerer said:

..."reality?" not so sure if that's possible...

...one has to find your own way, don't try to copy others, your way will be the best...

I agree, absolutely, with all you write.

By 'reality' I simply meant that although, in principle, everything seems easy to explain the truth is that there is not just one 'truth' so, again, agreeing with the last point you made.

18 minutes ago, lct said:

...Bottom line it is a matter of taste...a single press on the FN button is enough to work with a black screen in RF mode on the basic M11. I don't need more but i have no masochistic tendencies 😉...

😸

To make things perfectly clear; I have no axe to grind with the existence of a Rear Screen nor, indeed, with 'Chimping'. The M Monochrom has a screen (obviously!) and, on occasion, I will verify that I have captured the image I was after; particularly - but not uniquely - when using the 21mm S-Angulon as I don't (yet) have a 21mm finder.

From time-to-time rear screens can be quite handy things to have.

Philip.

[Jeff S]

5 hours ago, pgk said:

I've never had any issues formatting with my M9s.

No issues for me formatting solely in-camera since 2009 with two M8.2s, M9 Monochrom, M240, M10, M10-R and M10 Monochrom (and SL2). I have no need or desire for any M11 platform camera, regardless of formatting, so all academic for me; but interesting discussion nonetheless.

Jeff

[Alberti]

On 9/17/2024 at 6:13 AM, IkarusJohn said:

Since the SD card malarkey with the M9, I have always used SD formatter to format my SD cards.  We were told NEVER to format in camera.  Now, I appreciate that advice has changed over the years, but the practice has stuck with me.  If you have your M11 or M11-D attached to your computer by USB-C cable, can you format the internal memory and SD card from your computer?  What options with Fotos?  

About the external world not being in synch: on the SD Card Alliance website, the software runs latest on macOS 12 Monterey. Not on Apple Silicon, they state, and the last build of the software is from 2022. (I have M1p and M3, both Sonoma). They say:

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Note: If you have a Mac with Apple silicon, e.g. M1, you might be asked to install Rosetta in order to open the SD Card Formatter.

• To test,  I installed SDCardFormatterv5_Mac and it runs OK on M3, without complaining about Rosetta.

I'm still a bit concerned. If there is no internal possibility in the M11D to format; and what at first glance looks like a sort of uncontrolled external one, where will we end up? The SD-Card page is recent. Maybe the main page is not managed by the comms department. 

Edited September 19, 2024 by Alberti