Just when one should be excited about acquiring a new camera Leica has disappointed

[jaapv]

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37 minutes ago, Mahesh said:

The main reason is to get a good starting point even before going to the imaging software. Why do you want to fiddle on the computer when you can get easily before even taking the picture. For me, I like to spend less time on the computer (and EVF, which is why the M)

Umm.. A DNG file has no colour; raw colour conversion is set in your computer during raw conversion and your starting point is in the pull-down menu on the top right. The camera software will offer the same options and communicate them to the software (plus a grey card setting/instructions) to make the same adjustments to the DNG conversion. It is less work to use the software option than to delve into the camera menu. For .jpg I would advise to stay in AWB.

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[jaapv]

12 minutes ago, pippy said:

Same with the MD but there is a problem - at least in the way it has turned out for me.

First folder (as mentioned) was '10Leica'. Second folder was '101Leica'. So far so good. The issue (for me) was the individual file-numbering.

In 100Leica I had DNG files going from L1000001 to L1009999. When the 101Leica folder commenced the individual DNG numbering reset to L1000001; i.e. every batch of 9999 files will be given a duplicate file-number - the original having been created in the first L100Leica folder.

Adding to the (possible) confusion - and forbidding me from simply downloading every DNG file into one mega-folder - is the fact that I also have L100Leica folders for my long-gone M8.2, my similarly long-gone M9-P and my still very much here M Monochrom. In effect for each batch of 9999 images I could, potentially, have four different DNG files.

I'm sure there will be a way to clearly rename files from each camera but, for the moment, I have resorted to renaming files one-by-one such as MD L1011234 or MM L1005678. It's a right royal PITA - especially when I return from three weeks in France with 1,000+ files to re-name - but it needs to be done. I do know for a fact that some of my MM L100xxxx files have over-written earlier files from the MD when I was still in the first 9999 series.

This is the ONE area where the MD (as far as I have been able to discover) is missing a trick. I've tried to find a way to get the body to adopt a different numbering system - one of my own devising - but without success.

Philip.

 

And if you simply change the L on the last file to another letter and reinsert the card?

[davidnvh]

13 minutes ago, pippy said:

Same with the MD but there is a problem - at least in the way it has turned out for me.

A trick I always use when I need to sort the images regardless of camera used: open folder contains the said images and export with custom settings -> file naming -> capture date & file name. 

[pippy]

10 minutes ago, jaapv said:

And if you simply change the L on the last file to another letter and reinsert the card?

I don't know, Jaap, but will certainly try out the idea later on this evening. Thanks for the suggestion!

I have tried changing the folder number but that didn't have any effect on how the camera numbered the individual DNG files.

Philip.

[pippy]

11 minutes ago, davidnvh said:

A trick I always use when I need to sort the images regardless of camera used: open folder contains the said images and export with custom settings -> file naming -> capture date & file name. 

Thanks, David, for the suggestion. I must have a look into that idea as well.

Previously I have done a file-rename in Photoshop by adding an 'MD L101' prefix - and that does work - but I didn't have the option, at the same time, to delete the L100xxxx part so my files ended up as 'MD L101xxxxL100xxxx' which was considered to be a tad ungainly so I resorted to the "One I Prepared Earlier" as they would say on Blue Peter...

Philip.

Edited September 18, 2024 by pippy

[Mahesh]

2 hours ago, jaapv said:

Umm.. A DNG file has no colour; raw colour conversion is set in your computer during raw conversion and your starting point is in the pull-down menu on the top right. The camera software will offer the same options and communicate them to the software (plus a grey card setting/instructions) to make the same adjustments to the DNG conversion. It is less work to use the software option than to delve into the camera menu. For .jpg I would advise to stay in AWB.

I choose white balance "as shot" so there is that 

[jaapv]

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Just now, Mahesh said:

I choose white balance "as shot" so there is that 

That will make the software read the setting off the .xmp file. 

[algrove]

sent it back

[jaapv]

I wouldn’t have bought it in the first place, but that is just me. Why did you return it? 

[LocalHero1953]

17 minutes ago, jaapv said:

I wouldn’t have bought it in the first place, but that is just me.

+1

[jdlaing]

4 hours ago, jaapv said:

Umm.. A DNG file has no colour space information; raw colour conversion is set in your computer during raw conversion and your starting point is in the pull-down menu on the top right. The camera software will offer the same options and communicate them to the software (plus a grey card setting/instructions) to make the same adjustments to the DNG conversion. It is less work to use the software option than to delve into the camera menu. For .jpg I would advise to stay in AWB.

 

[pgk]

On 9/16/2024 at 11:48 PM, algrove said:

How could I even imagine that Leica who wants to keep things simple with the M11D has just done the opposite by complicating a simple task of formatting memory.

Perhaps I am out of step with many but I just don't 'get' a digtal camera without a rear display. Having read many posts about this new variant I have come to the conclusion that the camera is not a photographic tool as much as a toy, and I use the word carefully. Yes I see the concept but I don't understand its implementation. Digital is not film and not having a rear display negates so many of the advantages of shooting with a digital camera. And from the quote it actually appears that it has absolute disadvantages. I'm soory but I don't get this camera at all. I could tape up the rear screen of many of my cameras and all it would do is make them difficult to use. I understand the concept of simplification but there are other, and IMO opinion better, ways than by simply hobbling a camera.

[Kwesi]

5 minutes ago, pgk said:

Perhaps I am out of step with many but I just don't 'get' a digtal camera without a rear display. Having read many posts about this new variant I have come to the conclusion that the camera is not a photographic tool as much as a toy, and I use the word carefully. Yes I see the concept but I don't understand its implementation. Digital is not film and not having a rear display negates so many of the advantages of shooting with a digital camera. And from the quote it actually appears that it has absolute disadvantages. I'm soory but I don't get this camera at all. I could tape up the rear screen of many of my cameras and all it would do is make them difficult to use. I understand the concept of simplification but there are other, and IMO opinion better, ways than by simply hobbling a camera.

I think it's the marketing that's ever so slightly dishonest.  " Digital camera with an analog soul." At the end of the day it's a digital M that uses an external screen when needed. It's unique and sold in limited quantities and as such adds to its desirability for some. 

[jaapv]

59 minutes ago, jdlaing said:

 

No colour space either, indeed. DNG is not an image file, but a data container. The data can be converted to an image file, including colour in general. 

[jdlaing]

Just now, jaapv said:

No colour space either, indeed. DNG is not an image file, but a data container. The data can be converted to an image file, including colour in general. 

I disagree. .dng is not a raw file but a processed one. It van be opened as it comes from the camera by many computer programs. It is processed to a .dng while in the camera.

[jaapv]

Actually it is a TIFF type file and just a universal raw format. For instance quite a few data recovery programs will display .tif instead of .dng. It is only needed to change the extension to .dng to make it readable. All camera raw files have been processed into the camera output; none are a straight sensor dump. 

[algrove]

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Edited September 18, 2024 by algrove

[pippy]

2 hours ago, pgk said:

...I just don't 'get' a digtal camera without a rear display...

As a user of an M-D Typ-262 I very much do 'get' why a small number of photographers would choose (and appreciate their decision) to go down this path when shooting with a Leica M digital rangefinder camera. It's like using any Leica M film camera with TTL metering and the advantage (IMO) of a digital work-flow.

Leica 'D' cameras are wonderful creations.

What I don't get is why a few photographers choose to acquire a screenless Leica M rangefinder camera; buy an electronic EVF Visoflex so that they can actually focus a rangefinder camera; review the images they have just shot via an APP on the screen of a mobile 'phone which they will have to carry with them for that purpose and, finally, whine about why they can't adjust everything on the camera barring the weather via the screen on their 'phone when using the FOTOS (or whatever) APP.

That? Good Grief. I don't get that one bit.

Philip.

Edited September 18, 2024 by pippy

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[algrove]

5 hours ago, jaapv said:

I wouldn’t have bought it in the first place, but that is just me. Why did you return it? 

See post #1. Sent to me before the formatting short coming was known.

[Malabito]

On 9/17/2024 at 7:13 AM, IkarusJohn said:

Since the SD card malarkey with the M9, I have always used SD formatter to format my SD cards.  We were told NEVER to format in camera.  Now, I appreciate that advice has changed over the years, but the practice has stuck with me.  If you have your M11 or M11-D attached to your computer by USB-C cable, can you format the internal memory and SD card from your computer?  What options with Fotos?  Seems like a storm in a tea-cup to me, but then with the M10-D I remove my SD cards (when I remember how an M10-D works - mine is still somewhere between Wetzlar customer services, Leica’s shipping agent, Leica NZ and me).

Actually, I was always told to format in-camera and not outside the camera. This is how I've always done it and I've never had any issues with my M240, M10, or M11.