ptomsu Posted December 25, 2007 Share #21 Posted December 25, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi Peter,The E-3 holds its own ground and like the M8 did, has raw developer catch up problems. It is a good compliment to the M8 for macro, tele and zoom situations. Bob Bob, this is what I found recently as very interesting for me: I am starting to use the M8 and E-3 in parallel. M8 typically with fast glass, like Nocti (my favorite - it has a unique GLOW), 1,4/35ASPH and 2/90APO E-3 typically with zooms like the new SWD ones 12-60 and (as soon as I get delivered) 50-200 These 2 systems complement each other nicely and the results are very alike from the look they come out of the box when shot in RAW/DNG, And in terms of weight this gives a combination which is still in the same range as for example a D3 with 2,8/14-24, 24-70 and 70-200. Not that the Nikon is bad by any means, but for the moment at least I find the E-3/M8 combo far more appealing and the M8 gives you the additional kick in results for available light. Will be interesting to see where my WATE goes in this combo, I have not played around with that so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ptomsu Posted December 25, 2007 Share #22 Posted December 25, 2007 Mark, here the 100% (as exact as possible CROPs) first E-3, second M8 for me the differences in "look and feel" are non existent, I even might slightly prefer the E-3 result here :-)) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/40958-the-next-leica-digilux/?do=findComment&comment=434653'>More sharing options...
andybarton Posted December 25, 2007 Share #23 Posted December 25, 2007 Some of you may be interested in this place: Four Thirds User Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted December 25, 2007 Share #24 Posted December 25, 2007 Some of you may be interested in this place: Four Thirds User Thanks Andy, your photos are great and one can see the DMR quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted December 25, 2007 Share #25 Posted December 25, 2007 Thanks Peter. I'm looking to improve in 2008. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted December 26, 2007 Share #26 Posted December 26, 2007 The Leica/Pansonic arrangement made (past tense) sense - Panasonic needed lenses, Leica needed cameras, Samsung and Pentax did similarly, Sony got both by buying the moribund Konica/Minolta. The Digilux 3 has been a disaster as far as it's possible to see. Olympus though doesn't need Leica so it's tough to see a rebadged E-3 appearing as a Digilux 4. It would be as incongrous as Nikon selling camera bodies to Fuji. I think Leica need to wean themselves off rebadging other people's cameras and hiking the price tag - they're not fooling anyone. They might like to talk to Olympus though about their flashes. Since Metz seem to be dragging their feet, adapting one of the Olympus flashes for use on the M8 would make sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted December 26, 2007 Share #27 Posted December 26, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I disagree and would certainly not go so far as to say "disaster"! Some people seem far too anxious to write 4/3 off, but those who are using the D3 seem to be highly satisfied with its performance. Rather I suspect that they over ordered (compensating for the lack of D2s which sold better than they expected), and bumped the price up just a bit too much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mym6is12 Posted December 26, 2007 Share #28 Posted December 26, 2007 I agree that it cannot be in Olympus's interests to sell a Leica badged E-3. Panasonic DMC cameras provide a degree of separation with different features. A DMC-L2/ Digilux4 using the E-3 mirror box and prism could be possible. However as an E3 user, the panasonic cameras not having in body IS, are at an immediate disadvantage. As the 25mm f/1.4 seems to sell instantly, I suspect if they had initially sold the DMC-L1/Digilux3 as a CL replacement with a 20mm f/2, in stead of the massive zoom, they would have sold bucket loads of them - to us old school camera users. The Digilux 3 IMHO looks rubbish in satin chrome - I would have paid extra for the Panansonic all black variant. It's difficult to see how they could upstage the E-3, so it seems the only place for a L2/Digilux 4 is as a semi-compact E3 valued above the E510/L10 but below the E3. To succeed, they need to sell the body both as a kit and separately. The Leica supply chain also needs to sell the lenses - not relying on the Panasonic dealer chain. Most importantly the ridiculous price divide between Panansonic and Leica badges needs to be addressed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted December 26, 2007 Share #29 Posted December 26, 2007 I agree that it cannot be in Olympus's interests to sell a Leica badged E-3.Panasonic DMC cameras provide a degree of separation with different features. A DMC-L2/ Digilux4 using the E-3 mirror box and prism could be possible. However as an E3 user, the panasonic cameras not having in body IS, are at an immediate disadvantage. As the 25mm f/1.4 seems to sell instantly, I suspect if they had initially sold the DMC-L1/Digilux3 as a CL replacement with a 20mm f/2, in stead of the massive zoom, they would have sold bucket loads of them - to us old school camera users. The Digilux 3 IMHO looks rubbish in satin chrome - I would have paid extra for the Panansonic all black variant. It's difficult to see how they could upstage the E-3, so it seems the only place for a L2/Digilux 4 is as a semi-compact E3 valued above the E510/L10 but below the E3. To succeed, they need to sell the body both as a kit and separately. The Leica supply chain also needs to sell the lenses - not relying on the Panasonic dealer chain. Most importantly the ridiculous price divide between Panansonic and Leica badges needs to be addressed. Owning both the D3 and the E3 I must admit that I did not touch the D3 any more, since I have my E3. And there are hundreds of reasons for that, one of the least important ones being the higher MP. It wil be difficult to top the E3 and especially for Leica, since they started fighting on 3 frontiers same time - FT, M9 and R10. It is hard to believe that they will be able to do all of these 3 fights by themselves. I am pretty sure that the R and M developments are almost eating up 100% of their capacities and capabilities. Thinking over that I see more and more that they will only have success if they start producing great lenses for other brands, like Zeiss does. Because if the even would win this fight now, they will have to follow up all 1-2 years with significantly improved models in all 3 areas or customers will again loose interest (if they can win customers back by what they are doing now). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted December 27, 2007 Share #30 Posted December 27, 2007 It only took Olympus less than 2 months to offer a 20% discount to their latest and greatest flagship camera in the Japanese home market ... I think they're making room for Leica so the later could introduce a rebadged camera at E-3's original price, anybody disagree? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted December 27, 2007 Author Share #31 Posted December 27, 2007 It only took Olympus less than 2 months to offer a 20% discount to their latest and greatest flagship camera in the Japanese home market ... I think they're making room for Leica so the later could introduce a rebadged camera at E-3's original price, anybody disagree? well apparently you do Jeff, all talks about the pro and cons of 4/3 aside, I think it has to prove that it can sell in the first place, and I don't see how current 4/3 models can fit into the picture while Leica is still having difficulties in clearing the Digilux3 stock. Will you pay $2000 for a rebadged L10? what about a $3000 rebadged E-3? ... maybe you ought focus on just which 'idea' you want to troll about before you make a reappearance to the delight of the moderators whom will be reminded why they are here should you choose to continue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted December 27, 2007 Share #32 Posted December 27, 2007 maybe you ought focus on just which 'idea' you want to troll about before you make a reappearance to the delight of the moderators whom will be reminded why they are here should you choose to continue. Funny, you didn't read the moderator has pointed you to a better place? ROFL http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/digital-forum/41489-next-leica-digilux-2.html#post435993 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted December 27, 2007 Share #33 Posted December 27, 2007 ROFL ............... saves you buying a mop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted December 27, 2007 Share #34 Posted December 27, 2007 It has been an unforeseen and unfortunate event that some have taken my comments on 4/3 very personally, it absolutely wasn't my intention. Back on topic ... I think many forum members have missed one editor's note on page 4 of LFI 01/2008: As for the experiment with the FourThirds format, the company from Solms will have drawn their own conclusions by now. What does it mean? I don't know ... there're many friends writing for LFI hanging around here so perhaps they can give us the answer. It doesn't matter how good these cameras are, they all have to sell so Leica can make a profit, right? clearly, the answer is no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted December 27, 2007 Author Share #35 Posted December 27, 2007 These are summarised lab results from DIWA comparing the qualities of these 3 competing cameras Canon 40D, Nikon D300 and Olympus E-3 DIWA Labs Color/Exposure 1) Color Fidelity: E-3 > D300 > 40D 2) Color Sensitivity: D300 > 40D > E-3 3) White Balance Accuracy: E-3 > 40D > D300 4) ISO Sensitivity: E-3 > D300 > 40D Noise/Sensitivity 5) Signal/Noise (Green Channel) (ISO 100) D300 > 40D > E-3 (ISO 200) D300 > 40D = E-3 (ISO 400) D300 > E-3 > 40D (ISO 800) D300 > E-3 > 40D (ISO 1600) D300 > E-3 > 40D (ISO 3200) E-3 > D300 > 40D Acceptable S/N (Green Channel > 36db) D300 <= ISO 800 E-3 <= ISO 400 40D <= ISO 400 6) Grain Size: D300 > E-3 > 40D 7) Dynamic Range (Luminance) (ISO 100) 40D > E-3 > D300 (ISO 200) 40D > E-3 > D300 (ISO 400) 40D > E-3 > D300 (ISO 800) 40D > E-3 > D300 (ISO 1600) 40D > D300 > E-3 (ISO 3200) 40D > D300 > E-3 Acceptable DR (Luminance Channel >= 8) 40D <= ISO 3200 E-3 < ISO 800 (almost) D300 <= ISO 1600 8) Acceptable Tonal Range (>7bits) E-3 <= ISO 1600 D300 <= ISO 1600 40D <= ISO 800 if D4 follows E3, you would expect a modicum of improvement, Im thinking it bodes well for Leica and provably steps up to Canon and Nikon for most of us, other than those that prefer wallmart product pricing and the more economic circumstances of single living Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rivi1969 Posted January 9, 2008 Share #36 Posted January 9, 2008 The Digilux 2 and Digilux 3 cameras are made by Panasonic, so I don't see why the Digilux 4 would be any different. Now that the L1 is discontinued maybe we can expect in some months the launch of the L2/D4, which any Leica fan would prefer as long as get closer to the M feeling rather than an Olympus reflex. But how better the 4/3rds technology can get against full frame sensors? I mean it is supposed to be a compact package but my L1 with the 14-50mm or the 25mm 1.4 is far heavier or bigger than my D80... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Django Posted July 9, 2009 Share #37 Posted July 9, 2009 Any news concerning a Digilux 4? I would really like to see an overhaul of the Digilux 3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k_g_wolf ✝ Posted July 9, 2009 Share #38 Posted July 9, 2009 No news and most likely no DIGILUX 4. They are too busy at the moment burning money on the S2- project. There was DIGILUX- design - done by LEICA - before the DIGILUX 3 appeared, which allowed to use existing lenses. But it didn´t make it into production. Best Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 9, 2009 Share #39 Posted July 9, 2009 It may well be that the "R-solution" will be called Digilux4.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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