Q3 with 43mm APO f2

[algrove]

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When this drops I WILL get one as the 43mm suits me better for Q use than the 28mm.

[Olaf_ZG]

6 hours ago, PeterBoyadjian said:

 

One wonders can I shoot an entire wedding with Two Q's? hmmmmm

I know I could. Did many weddings with the contax g1: two cameras, one with 28mm the other with the 45mm. Though I had the 21mm, I hardly used it, and the same for the 90mm.

So yes, I could. But I am sure that many wouldn’t like it as they prefer the 70-200 range.

[rouge_homme]

If this Q3 variant becomes a reality and the pricing aligns with the current Q3, it would be an instant buy for me.

I owned the Hasselblad X2D + 55v lens (43mm equivalent) for some time and it was a great combo but I eventually found it too large and heavy for a walkaround kit.

Sensor size aside, a Q3 with 43mm APO lens would happily fill the gap of an AF / EVF camera to use alongside my M kit.

[Cogito]

12 hours ago, PeterBoyadjian said:

I'm on the list over in LA, 

Not sure how the 43ish focal will work for me, 28 I feel is better for travel and taking selfies with my little baby girl.

One wonders can I shoot an entire wedding with Two Q's? hmmmmm

You’re on a wait list at the Leica store in Los Angeles? in which case Leica confirms the existence of a Q3 43mm?

[PeterBoyadjian]

1 hour ago, Cogito said:

You’re on a wait list at the Leica store in Los Angeles? in which case Leica confirms the existence of a Q3 43mm?

Yes but no, but yes. 

The Q3-40mm whatever is coming out soon. 100%

Leica also will put you on a waiting list for the M14, or Q5. 

They won't confirm anything, but will put you on a what list for anything. 

[Olaf_ZG]

1 hour ago, PeterBoyadjian said:

Yes but no, but yes. 

The Q3-40mm whatever is coming out soon. 100%

Leica also will put you on a waiting list for the M14, or Q5. 

They won't confirm anything, but will put you on a what list for anything. 

Though my store actually confirmed it will be coming when they opened up the list…

[wwwanderer]

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Rumors seem to be confirmed. Camera released in first part of October.

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[Einst_Stein]

Why 43mm? I guess Leica is thinking it's time to offer something longer than 28mm as a companion, but what FL?  

50mm is definitely the all time standard lens, and 35mm is the traditionally "relaxed" most popular. It would be hard to choose.

So, choose the mid point: ~42.5mm ((50mm+35mm/2), or (50mm x 35mm)^0.5). Then round it to 43mm. 

 

[Dr. G]

4 hours ago, Giacomo Busoni said:

Not at all. September 26th.

You might both be right.  It could be an announcement on September 26th and availability right in the beginning of October.  

[Dr. G]

2 hours ago, Einst_Stein said:

Why 43mm? I guess Leica is thinking it's time to offer something longer than 28mm as a companion, but what FL?  

50mm is definitely the all time standard lens, and 35mm is the traditionally "relaxed" most popular. It would be hard to choose.

So, choose the mid point: ~42.5mm ((50mm+35mm/2), or (50mm x 35mm)^0.5). Then round it to 43mm. 

 

The diagonal of a 35mm sensor is 43mm, so that focal length is the “true” normal.  Not saying that’s why they did it, though.

[Simone_DF]

From what I’ve seen, 40-45mm lenses are usually smaller than their 50mm counterparts. Think e.g. the Olympus Trip, the Smena cameras, the Canon 40mm pancake or more recently the Sigma 45mm, Nikon Z 40mm f/2 or even the Ricoh GRIIIX. Ricoh had no other reason than size constraints for its X variant. 

Also, if you do a little search, turns out that the majority of pancake lenses are between 30 and 45mm. 
But with 30-35mm so close to 28, Leica went for 43 to keep the camera different enough and at the same time small enough. 

[Einst_Stein]

Perhaps another view is lens is getting wider, due to the firmware based lens distortion correction?

If 28mm is the new 35mm, then 42~43mm might be the new 50mm. 

Edited September 16, 2024 by Einst_Stein

[UliWer]

vor 33 Minuten schrieb Einst_Stein:

then 42~43mm might be the new 50mm. 

As Stuart Richardson already described in #251 focal lengths which give an angle of view of approx. 50-57° were regarded as "normal" lenses for long times. So when Barnack and Berek experimented with the Leica they wanted to achieve this as well, and used a 4cm Summar in the beginning. If you look at the famous photo from the "Eisenmarkt" at Wetzlar https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:1914_Oskar_Barnack_Wetzlar_Eisenmarkt.jpg you'll notice that it was taken with a wider angle than 46° a 50mm lens would give on 35mm film. 

Though they found out that the optical design for a lens of approx. 40mm which had the resolution they wanted to achieve was too difficult to design and costly to produce. It was easier with 50mm ... and "5" or "50" sounds better than "4" or even "43". So they introduced the 50mm as a new standard which didn't exist before.

When high quality rangefinder cameras with fixed lenses came to market from the late 50s onwards optical design had improved and it was possible to design these lenses with high resolution and most of these cameras had a lens of approx. 40mm: Canon A35, Olympus 35SP, Rollei 35, Konica C35 and even Leica Minilux and CM as latecomers. They didn't need the "new standard" of 50mm any more and went back to the old one. 

The Q looks as a successor of these high quality rangefinders with fixed lens so going back to the tradition of approx. 40mm seems quite natural. 

[JNK100]

1 hour ago, Giacomo Busoni said:

It’s already in the stores. I saw it. 

Which store please and did you take a photo Giacomo?

Jeff

[Olaf_ZG]

5 hours ago, Dr. G said:

The diagonal of a 35mm sensor is 43mm, so that focal length is the “true” normal.  Not saying that’s why they did it, though.

The 43mm is like the 26mm on the regular Q. So 43 will be 45. It will be a great copy of the 45mm planar from the g series 😇

[Pelu2010]

52 minutes ago, Olaf_ZG said:

The 43mm is like the 26mm on the regular Q. So 43 will be 45. It will be a great copy of the 45mm planar from the g series 😇

Eh, so a 28 mm is a 26 mm and a 43 mm is a 45 mm? 🥹 

I would assume if Leica sticks to the rule then the 43 mm is a 41 mm or 40 mm. 
 

anyway. I hope the make mir of these. 
 

28 (26) , 43 (….) and a 75 or 90 but very short ….. 

 

I am curious about the helicoid (macro) function of the camera. 
 

how near we get and if the aperture changes. 
 

cheers 🥂 

[Dr. G]

39 minutes ago, Pelu2010 said:

Eh, so a 28 mm is a 26 mm and a 43 mm is a 45 mm? 🥹 

I would assume if Leica sticks to the rule then the 43 mm is a 41 mm or 40 mm. 
 

anyway. I hope the make mir of these. 
 

28 (26) , 43 (….) and a 75 or 90 but very short ….. 

 

I am curious about the helicoid (macro) function of the camera. 
 

how near we get and if the aperture changes. 
 

cheers 🥂 

Someone reported seeing the camera in person and said it had no macro ring. Maybe it has a decent minimum focus distance without one.  I guess we'll have to see if that's the case or not.   

[Viewfinder_vandals]

I am really curious about the ois Function. If the Camera have 60mp they really have to update it because on the q2 and q3 its a joke… 

[Le Chef]

1 hour ago, Viewfinder_vandals said:

I am really curious about the ois Function. If the Camera have 60mp they really have to update it because on the q2 and q3 its a joke…

I’m very curious about what issues you have experienced with OIS? Can you explain them and what settings (EXIF data) and what you were shooting when these issues occurred?

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[Viewfinder_vandals]

Lowlight conditions. 
q 1/8s

q2 1/15s

q3 1/25s

Anything below These times is pure luck to get a Sharp clean Image