Why is a m10-d (or any other-d version) so special?

[IkarusJohn]

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I’d call it manual settings with auto-iso, I guess.  That’s what I do with my Monochrom.

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[Mikep996]

I was very interested in an M10D a few years ago and found several on Ebay for less than the going price (at that time) for a used standard M10.  But then figured out I could save money by turning off the "review" capability on my M10R and have the M10D experience!     

Edited August 28, 2024 by Mikep996

[IkarusJohn]

18 minutes ago, Mikep996 said:

I was very interested in an M10D a few years ago and found several on Ebay for less than the going price (at that time) for a used standard M10.  But then figured out I could save money by turning off the "review" capability on my M10R and have the M10D experience!     

So did you stick gaffer tape over the LCD?

[Datsch]

To answer the OP: My only Leica has been the M-D. It's a wonderful experience shooting with it. To me it's completely normal and easy.

I say 'what's so special about an M with a screen?' -- I have looked at the M11 manual and there's nothing the menu system offers that I would want to do.

You can view a shot afterward and check exposure but once you know how the meter behaves there's no need for that. Checking focus in a small screen never works that well -- if you doubt you got focus, you probably didn't so just take another shot. And liveview is OK if you use a tripod but for handheld focusing especially in bright light or with that migraine-inducing focus peaking it doesn't feel very Leica-ish to me ...

I like to grip the rear of the camera with my thumb with no fear of pressing buttons or activating touchscreen functions by mistake. And I don't get the 'menu anxiety' I get with other cameras (like thinking, 'did I remember to switch back to ISO 200' or 'I hope I haven't still been in Orangutan-detect focus mode all afternoon' )

I still think the base model M11 should be the screen-free one, and you could order a special M11-S if you want a screen added ... 🙃

[fenykepesz]

Am 17.8.2024 um 07:23 schrieb darylgo:

Ok, I’ll give it a try however it’s best to have one in hand.  
 

It’s not easily understood except by a few.  It needs to be experienced.  Or as Al aptly posted “ has incredible surprise potential”. 
 

A film camera experience with all the benefits of a digital file.  
 

 

you nailed it for me, @darylgo : "It needs to be experienced".

one needs to have worked with D cameras (or film cameras) for prolonged periods of time in order to realize their "incredible surprise potential" à la @Al Brown.  for me it's again all about the work flow, the style of taking photographic pictures, one is forced into with this camera type - which either fits one's preference and talent, or not...

the same can be said about that thumb rest lever of the m10d - one either got to know and appreciate it through usage, or not...

the m11d is for me the ultimate "reduce to max" camera as per @M11 for me, the embodiment that comes closest to the 35SE, OM-4 Ti, F3 or 2.8GX film cameras i got used to and had loved so much in the past.

[a.noctilux]

In my view it's "almost" useless discussing the thing, LCDless M or hiding (not using) the LCD on more common M.

Only personal experience can decide in each way, fan of xx-D or not.

[newtoleica]

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I got a new case for my 10-P. It has a detachable leather flap the covers the rear of the camera. 
excellent. Just like a D  

Whilst using the camera I reaslised that the one thing that can’t be managed with a dial is exposure compensation. When I had a 10-D I never liked the rear dial placement of this as I will leave the camera on Auto and continually move the exposure compensation according to the way light and shadow fall on the subject. I know I could just switch to manual but I find my method faster on the street. So the wheel under the thumb is perfect. What it lacks though is an external indication of what it’s set to. Sony cameras have the exact same but the wheel is visible and marked in 1/2 stops + and -. Shame Leica didn’t do that, with the ISO on the other end and aperture  + A/shutter speed everything is both under a thumb/finger and visible. I shoot a lot on the fly/hip using zone focussing in places like Budapest where taking images without permission is technically illegal so would be very useful! 

[fenykepesz]

vor 5 Minuten schrieb newtoleica:

I shoot a lot on the fly/hip using zone focussing in places like Budapest where taking images without permission is technically illegal so would be very useful! 

i just returned a few days ago from Budapest where i had for the two weeks my m10d with me all the time - and i vaguely remember now a discussion about taking pictures of people in the public but here back in Montréal i don't recall anymore the details in this matter.  i guess i was just lucky ?

[newtoleica]

13 minutes ago, fenykepesz said:

i just returned a few days ago from Budapest where i had for the two weeks my m10d with me all the time - and i vaguely remember now a discussion about taking pictures of people in the public but here back in Montréal i don't recall anymore the details in this matter.  i guess i was just lucky ?

This list is useful. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Country_specific_consent_requirements
generally I find people in Hungary don’t like having a camera pointed explicitly at them ( as opposed to a general group) in a public place and will turn away/cover. I think pushing this to the point of being intrusive COULD prompt a complaint to nearby police.

contrary to Robert Capa in Budapest you can be too close…..

anyway I was happy with the images I netted pst couple of days, and there’s plenty to take without causing issues.

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[fenykepesz]

vor 33 Minuten schrieb newtoleica:

This list is useful. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Country_specific_consent_requirements
generally I find people in Hungary don’t like having a camera pointed explicitly at them ( as opposed to a general group) in a public place and will turn away/cover. I think pushing this to the point of being intrusive COULD prompt a complaint to nearby police.

contrary to Robert Capa in Budapest you can be too close…..

thank you @newtoleica for this Wiki list, wasn't aware of it !

you are right, Friedmann András alias Robert Capa, always said one can't be too close !  i usually go with a 50mm and hence need to be close too - though this photo in Budapest i had taken many years ago of a whole bunch of people with a 80mm/2.8GX, well before any kind of privacy concerns...