What's your priority?

[jaapv]

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Hey folks i came here to respond to the OP not to rain on others parade so i don't mind to elaborate a bit more if you really don't see what i mean but it will be enough after that.

1. I don't want mandatory filters. Excessive IR sensibility is a defect that will disappear with the M9 hopefully.

2. I don't want mandatory motors. Same response as above. Too noisy for me. If the only alternative is manual winding i prefer the latter by far. Works fine with film Ms and R-D1.

3. I don't want mandatory coding. If it is necessary to avoid cyan shift it is mandatory i don't know a better word.

4. I don't want mandatory chimping. Try to change iso otherwise.

5. I want a decent IR protection. Do you really think it will degrade image quality with the M9? If so i will stay away from the latter i'm afraid. Now i'm confident that Leica will do as well or better than Epson which IQ i like much personally.

6. I want a decent moiré protection. It does degrade image quality to such an extent that it is a shame in my opinion.

7. I want a better dynamic range as far as possible but i can live without it so far.

8. I'd like to have full frame but it is only my 8th choice. In fact i'd prefer avoid if it causes new problems that can't be handled succesfully by Leica.

 

 

Maybe you should ask Santa next time you sit on his knee....

[tom0511]

I dont see the need for more DR, maybe just a softer shoulder for the highlights.

 

2 steps better ISO performance would be nice.

 

16 MP wouldnt hurt but in the end for 99% 10 MP is more than enough for me.

 

If it makes it as quit as a M6 I also would rather have manual winding. Also helps to hold the camera more stable.

 

 

I asked myself about the same question when deciding about the D3. Would I want a "d3x" instead of the D3 if Nikon brings it to the market. I came to the conclusion that 12MP and great high ISO is of more use for me than more MP and am now waiting for the D3 (M8 will still be most used camera)

[Peter Branch]

One thing that seems not to get mentioned is the M8's viewfinder which could I think be improved in a number of ways. I find the 1.25X magnifier almost essential with lenses of focal length greater than 35mm. Surely this could be a built in function? I also think there is scope to change the viewfinder magnification to accommodate wide angle views. This can't be done with an add-on device for the eyepiece but it could be done in the camera.

 

As a totally radical thought: how about an "electronic" version of the viewfinder/rangefinder? I've recently talked to some experts in the field of electromechanical design and they tell me that the position of the rangefinder actuating cam on the lens could be measured with exquisite accuracy, i.e. <1 micron resolution, with readily available position sensors. (They are used on precision milling machines apparently.) Once you know that and have a reasonably capable processor chip the possibilities are virtually unlimited.

[martinb]

I want at least 12mp, less crop or FF and better low light performance. And no magenta, ir, filters and cyan madness. It'll be ok to use filters, but then they have have to do something about the coding issue, like selectable in menu and processing that works perfectly. Most of all, the M9 has to be a camera that works well right out of the box. I don't think Leica can afford one more product like the M8, even though they got away with it this time.

[thrid]

2. 10-12MP, more dynamic range (12 stops), 2 or 3 stops more in ISO performance (good 3200 ISO)

 

- 10-12MP without an AA filter.

 

- 12-14 stops of dynamic range and a minimum of 16bit color. Right now digital is like shooting slidefilm, with a 2 stop safety net. Film negative gets between 12-18 stops.

 

- More accurate framelines

 

- Weathersealing and high reliability.

 

- Quieter shutter etc

 

- Full frame would be nice.

[wattsy]

The need for IR filters is, by far, the most problematic aspect of the M8 for me. I would also hope that the crop factor will be history at some point in the not too distant future (a couple of years?). The rest is just froth.

[rob_x2004]

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Should I say apologies in advance?

For the money they are asking;

 

Robust and reliable.

No issues.

No filters

Full frame.

16 bit dont give me shi8

Body designed and detailed by someone who isnt a dead head.

 

I can work around the rest.

So when I can take on out of the box put the battery in, I can turn it on and then forget about it. If it goes flat it goes flat. Put in a new battery.

[Guest stnami]

Robust and reliable

What does one hope to gain from that!!!? ...........woops

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[Printmaker]

I dont see the need for more DR, maybe just a softer shoulder for the highlights.

 

2 steps better ISO performance would be nice.

 

16 MP wouldnt hurt but in the end for 99% 10 MP is more than enough for me.

 

If it makes it as quit as a M6 I also would rather have manual winding. Also helps to hold the camera more stable.

 

 

I asked myself about the same question when deciding about the D3. Would I want a "d3x" instead of the D3 if Nikon brings it to the market. I came to the conclusion that 12MP and great high ISO is of more use for me than more MP and am now waiting for the D3 (M8 will still be most used camera)

 

I'm with you on the dynamic range. I like the way the M8 sees. It's somewhere between a good slide film and color negative film. Having a camera that shoots flatter than NPS160 doesn't do a thing for me. I have two scanbacks that see 11-12 stops and find myself always using a curve to shrink this range. Imagine capturing highlights at 230 and pure black at 55-60 when you want 245-15 or even 255-0. Every shot has to go to Photoshop for its contrast fix. I don't mind when its a product shot or a painting but every shot from a weekend shoot... that's too much work. And, yes, I know this can be automated but I like to be in control of my images.

 

Back on point:

1) Higher iso/less noise

2) Full frame might be nice, but I'm okay as is

3) A few more MP might be nice, but I'm okay as is

4) Quiet please!

5) Dial in lens codes

6) Shake me clean

 

A IR fix might be nice but I'll keep my M8 just so I can put a 93 filter on and get an IR capture.

 

Tom

[Dantist]

Definitely : more dynamic range. More iso performance ? OK, if noise is fully reconsidered. I might be right for certains, wrong for others, but I do think that a slightly larger sensor (14 to 18 megapixels), but higher performances in extreme ranges of capturing the light, should help to find back the very fabulous and characteristic tones delivered by old Leitz lenses. Just an idea above few more...

 

By the way, one point has to be solved. A better battery system is not a must : my camera got on strike yesterday : + 1.5 °, couldn't show me a glance of power supply, even if the battery was reloaded in the morning.