How collectible or valuable is this? 50 Summulix 1913-1983

[JTLeica]

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Found this at what I feel is a good price of 2200 euros.

Any thoughts?

Comes with original box / hood - missing the cap though

Thanks in advance

 

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Edited July 30, 2024 by JTLeica

[willeica]

https://collectiblend.com/Lenses/Leitz/50mm-f1.4-Summilux-'1913-1983'-(BM,-black).html

William 

[JTLeica]

4 minutes ago, Al Brown said:

This 1913-1983 edition is not very highly valued second hand as a collectible. Neither the M4-P chrome camera nor the lenses.

Cheers Al,

 

Would you say that its no less valuable than a standard copy though?

Cheers

[willeica]

1 hour ago, JTLeica said:

Cheers Al,

 

Would you say that its no less valuable than a standard copy though?

Cheers

The lens rarely gets sold on its own, so it is hard to judge. It usually comes as part of a set. https://collectiblend.com/Cameras/Leitz/M4-P-'1913-1983'-(70th-Anniversary).html

 By observation I would say that these have been appreciating in value in recent years. 

William 

[Photo.JLG]

What looks interesting is that the standard production of Silver Chrome M4-Ps is actually rarer than the special anniversary edition.

According to Camera Quest: "Of the 23,180 standard production M4-P's,  22,680 were black chrome and only 500 were chrome, making the plain Jane chrome M4-P plainly quite rare." A quick search through eBay also seems to bear this out. Most of the Silver Chrome cameras for sale are, in fact, Anniversary Editions, to the point that some sellers don't even mention the fact that it is a special edition at all. 

Cameraquest also mentions a theory as to why this special edition may be a very special one nonetheless: Leica Midland Canada employees knew the goodbye writing was on the wall and wanted to remind Wetzlar Germany management that Midland had saved Leica, with one more, one last Leica M commemorative.  The M4-P 70th Anniversary reaching back to Leica's 1913 beginning was Midland's swan song, the last new Leica model to be introduced from the Midland factory.  To me this is one of the most memorable and interesting Leica M commemoratives, as its real meaning is not what it is officially about.  I look at the M4-P 70th Anniversary sadly, a remind of jealousy between two Leica factories, and the last  reminder that Midland saved Wetzlar.   Nonsense?  Maybe, maybe not.

[JTLeica]

On 7/30/2024 at 1:49 PM, Al Brown said:

No, no, the series definitely has some added value, maybe 40-50% above regular price, but it is all in all one of the lower valued special editions. Probably the best time to buy, just like stock.
I wrote a few words a while ago:

 

Thanks Al,

I assumed it couldnt be any less. The standard 50 Lux V2 (pre) go for 2.2-2.5k Euros plus in very good condition. This one at 2.2 seemed value.

[jankap]

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Am 30.7.2024 um 14:33 schrieb JTLeica:

Would you say that its no less valuable than a standard copy though?

Cheers

You can do something yourself. Positioning is everything. Write an article of say 20 lines here in the forum, where you write something about Ernst Leitz, Oskar Barnack, the Barnacks, the introduction of the M in 1953, and what the special event in 1983 was, that in 2023 the main idea of the Barnacks still is alive, etc. And - of course - that this special edition is different from the standard edition of 1983.