Leica 200mm f4 Telyt lens head only with Bellows II

[kdt]

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Question on adapters and extension tubes for my 200mm f4 Telyt lens head on Bellows II.

I am using a 16598 bellows adapter on the bellows II which works well with the lens head (without the LTM helicoid) into the bellows. The limitation is that I lose over 30mm of focus beyond infinity so this setup does not allow me the full use of the bellows extension.. By removing the LTM helicoid on the 200 it reduces weight which is important to me as I am using it hand held in the field and want the system as light as possible with a L mount camera. 

1)  Can one or two OUEPO16474 extension tubes be used between the lens head and the 16598 adapter ?

2) Is there more than one thickness of 16474 extention tube? From the photos I have seen there looks like there are two of different thickness. 25mm to 30mm extension would be ideal...

Any suggestions/help is appreciated...

Edited June 16, 2024 by kdt

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[kdt]

If anyone has a Leica chart for extension tubes as well please post here for me .... I have the Visoflex and Bellows II charts but have not been able to see if 16474 will work with 16598 and 200mm Telyt... Have not found any links to charts on this forum

According to the Leitz Bellows II Chart both the 90mm Summicron and the 200mm f4 Telyt share the 16598 bellows II adapter. According to the Visoflex chart the 90mm Summicron uses the 16474 between the lens head and 16463 helicoid on a Visoflex. I used that setup 50 years ago when I was deep into M cameras and it worked great with my Visoflex III. Am I wrong to assume that the 16474 will work between the 200mm Telyt and my Bellows II with the 16598 adapter?

Edited June 17, 2024 by kdt

[Michael Geschlecht]

Hello kdt,

Welcome to the Forum.

Yes, you can use more than 1 adapter 16474/OUEPO between the lens head & the 16598/UOOZK adapter.

Additionally: 10mm extension tube 16469/OUFRO can be connected between the BACK of the bellows & the "M" mount adapter to give you more extension.

There is a Leica WIKI at the top of every page that has a section explaining about screw mount, bayonet mount & reflex adapters. As well as other things Leitz/Leica.

Like the Forum itself, which has separate International (In English.) & German (In German.) sections which are similar, but which are NOT translations of each other:

The English language & the German language WIKI sections are similar, but are different from each other.

Anyone can use both the International/English & German sections of everything whenever they would like to.

Best Regards,

Michael

Edited June 17, 2024 by Michael Geschlecht

[UliWer]

vor 11 Stunden schrieb kdt:

1)  Can one or two OUEPO16474 extension tubes be used between the lens head and the 16598 adapter ?

No, you cannot use the 16474 with the Telyt's lenshead only. The diameter of the lenses rear element's mounting is too large, so the 16474 will not fit. The head of the 90mm Summicron you mentioned is different. 

[kdt]

Ok, thank you! I ordered a 2 used 16474's on Ebay... I guess I will be on the lookout for a nice used 90mm Summicron . A very nice lens that I have missed for many years.

 

I also found a nice 16466 OUBIO and 14020.

 

Any idea if this additional tube would work?

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Edited June 17, 2024 by kdt
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[UliWer]

vor 3 Stunden schrieb kdt:

I also found a nice 16466 OUBIO and 14020.

Any idea if this additional tube would work?

For your purpose to fix the Telyt's lenshead to the bellows, both adapters won't work. They have a 39mm mount but the lenshead's screwmount is much wider. You need the OUBIO/16466 to fix the whole Telyt (with its proper helicoid mount!) to the Visoflex body. The MOOSP/14020 may be used to achieve a smaller minimal focal distance - always on the Visoflex together with the OUBIO/16466. If you use a substitute for the Visoflex like the TXBOO you don't need the OUBIO/16466, but you can use the MOOSP/14020.  

So I fear I do not understand what you want to achieve. If you want to use the Telyt for close focussing, you may use the bellows with the lens head. If you want to achieve infinity you better use the whole lens with its proper helicoid mount but without bellows.

Edited June 17, 2024 by UliWer

[dg4mgr]

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You use Visoflex to R and R to LUMIX Adapter. So you could also add an R extension tube ie 14134 ?

[kdt]

Thanks for the replies. Yes the R extension tubes are a solution. I have tried a set that I own and they work well. The balance of the camera changes a bit on a ball head or hand held.  I thought front tubes might make for a more balanced package. A longer Arca plate will help.

My R extension tubes are locked together and I cannot unscrew them. So I need to sort that out to make the 200mm work the full bellows extension

I originally purchased the R ext tubes to use with my 400mm f6.8 Telyt along with the 400 telyt extension tube. This combination is pretty long but works well for those situations where keeping distance between the subject and camera is important. Very Nice Bokeh as well ...

Also purchased a 90mm f4 Elmar for the bellows II and this is a great lightweight and versatile lens for macro work.

My main reason for using these lenses for close up photography is the round multi bladed diaphragms. Wonderful round circles of confusion... Smooth focus roll off and vintage Bokeh offer creative possibilities over modern ultra sharp lenses.

Another advantage is the ability to use smaller aperture settings than modern faster lenses before diffraction becomes an issue. f16 or even f22 works very well with the 90mm f4 Elmar. It is a must to have a clean sensor with these apertures or dust becomes very apparent,

 

Edited July 4, 2024 by kdt