Which monochrom

[jaapv]

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1 hour ago, sometimesmaybe said:

yes, but black point might be a tad more user friendly for shooter who dont do much in post

It is one click with an eye dropper tool at the very beginning of the postprocessing workflow. It can hardly be more user friendly And let’s be realistic: it calls for quite a bit of darkroom expertise to produce a good B&W print from film. Why should digital be different? In both cases it is unlikely that not doing much processing leads to decent results. Unfortunately the image threads on this forum provide proof. It is easy to pick out the dull and flat examples where no attention was paid to black point or tonal curve or even contrast. 

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[kiwidad]

On 6/8/2024 at 10:01 AM, patrickcolpron said:

M10-M is the Monochrom of choice even for Leica ambassadors, I crossed path with Alan Schaller in Paris a few months ago, after stating the M11-Monochrom was the finest digital monochrom ever in a Leica promotional video 8 or 9 months before hand well... wouldn't you know, that was an M10-Monochrom in his hands.

He even said he preferred the M10-M over the M11-M in a recent YouTube video on his channel. 

Look at 6:13 in this video which came out 5 months ago 

 

I traded my way into an M10M but it would be nice if it took the same batteries as my m11 so moving an M11M might be in my future. 

I haven't watched the video yet but I WANT that bag. What is it? Anyone know?

[Mute-on]

19 hours ago, kiwidad said:

I traded my way into an M10M but it would be nice if it took the same batteries as my m11 so moving an M11M might be in my future. 

I haven't watched the video yet but I WANT that bag. What is it? Anyone know?

Bottega Veneta Cassette

Edited June 1 by Mute-on

[ramarren]

It's a lovely bag, but I don't think I'll be paying over US$2000 for any camera bag. My most recent camera bag purchase was, to my mind, a slightly pricey $130 or so. 🙃 Call me "Thrifty" ... 

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Edited June 7 by ramarren

[kiwidad]

On 6/6/2025 at 9:22 PM, ramarren said:

It's a lovely bag, but I don't think I'll be paying over US$2000 for any camera bag. My most recent camera bag purchase was, to my mind, a slightly pricey $130 or so. 🙃 Call me "Thrifty" ... 

G

I have far too many bags. I like some Oberwerths but many have so little support in the base your camera sags the case in side and is the first contact when you put the bag down. The bags with inserts don't have this problem. Also the lining which is crinkly feeling and somehow "cheep" feeling like the lining behind the soft is thin crinkly plastic! I hate that.

Love my Billinghams for the raining days or field days where they need more protection than the Oberwerths have.

I even have a couple of leather ONA bags.love em but heavy!

Sl2 might ride in a domke.. 

Can someone please make a bag with the lining full of helium to make it lighter please lol I originally went to Leica for compactness and weight but GAS sure killed that!

But that Bottega is never going to be over my shoulder unless I win a lottery lol

[ramarren]

3 minutes ago, kiwidad said:

... I like some Oberwerths but many have so little support in the base your camera sags the case in side and is the first contact when you put the bag down. ...

One of my most-used bags (Lowepro Terraclime 100) has this problem as it's basically a modest sized satchel that comes with a nice camera wrap. When I carry my Hasselblad in it, I made a reinforcement for it out of an old box: I cut the box to one flat side and bent that into a channel-shaped insert that sits on the bottom of the bag:

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I often put it in the bag with the wrap folded on top of it to provide more padding. Here's the reinforcement fitted into the bottom of the bag: 

Now the Hassy fits perfectly and doesn't belly-down the bag.

$40 used bag, $0 old box.

G

 

 

[isunshine]

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On 7/26/2024 at 1:51 AM, pippy said:

I know this because I count myself - and my M9-P - to be amongst their number. V1 corroded. V1 replacement corroded. V2 was perfect. 77,000 + clicks without any issue.

Philip, when your V1 sensor was replaced with another V1, did the sensor ID change or did it stay with the old ID? The reason why I ask, I recently purchased an M9M after checking the sensor ID 53 (replaced sensor, V2) in a photo, but according to Leica the sensor is slightly corroded (had to send in for service). So either the photo I saw was fake or Leica is mistaken. I didn't notice any sensor issue on photos I took, but I didn't check thoroughly either. 

Edited August 4 by isunshine

[pippy]

54 minutes ago, isunshine said:

Philip, when your V1 sensor was replaced with another V1, did the sensor ID change or did it stay with the old ID?...

Unfortunately I can't answer your question as I didn't check.

Bear in mind that, at that time, whilst there was an understanding that some 'sensors' were failing no-one knew exactly what was the cause of the problem nor how widespread it might be. Furthermore the v2 sensor with a different ID number didn't yet exist; as such there was no notion within the M9 community that it was either useful or neccessary to make a note of sensor ID.

To say that I'd be surprised to hear that a v2 (ID 53) sensor has corrosion issues would be an understatement of colossal proportions. As stated in post #41 (page 3) in this very thread there has never been a verified case of sensor cover-glass corrosion reported with the v2 sensor; otherwise the problem would have been posted all over the www by now.

Do you have your M Monochrom to hand? If so then you can confirm the sensor's ID by following the steps listed in post #5 in this thread;

https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/421831-10760-still-worth-it/#comment-5811656

Failing that can you post a sample of the corrosion you have seen on an image in order that it can be verified that it really is corrosion and not something else?

Philip.

Edited August 4 by pippy

[pippy]

1 hour ago, pippy said:

...Failing that can you post a sample of the corrosion you have seen on an image in order that it can be verified that it really is corrosion and not something else?...

Sorry; brain-fart. I intended to type 'corrosion which Leica might have seen'...

Philip.

[isunshine]

Thanks for your reply Philip. Currently I don't have the Mono in hand. Like I said, I sent the camera in to Leica for service (not sensor related) and they still have it. I have to wait for several weeks or months to get it back.  

I don't have any sample photos with the corrosion. I've never discovered one. But per Leica, it is there. I asked for the CCD ID number to them, as I never checked it myself (other than the one in the photo I had gotten from the seller) but got no answer to that. If they are correct with the ID 53, that would indicate either that ID is associated with the v1 or the corrosion was re-introduced with the v2. I agree that the latter would be less probable as you pointed out. Do they send out the image with corrosion if asked? Maybe I'll try that. 

[pippy]

1 hour ago, isunshine said:

...If they are correct with the ID 53, that would indicate either that ID is associated with the v1 or the corrosion was re-introduced with the v2. I agree that the latter would be less probable as you pointed out. Do they send out the image with corrosion if asked? Maybe I'll try that. 

Hello again isunshine.

For the M Monochrom the latest v1 sensor had an ID # of 52(*). This indicates a version which was (still) prone to cover-glass corrosion. The v2 sensors were introduced sometime during the Autumn (July / August from memory) of 2015 and bore the designation CCD ID 53 . As was mentioned earlier; there has never been a reliable report of a new sensor experiencing corrosion issues. Some owners of M9 cameras stated that their M9 cameras with a 'new sensor' also exhibited signs of corrosion but in every case it transpired that (much as in my own case) their cameras had received a 'new' v1 sensor as a replacement prior to the existence of the v2.

Were Leica to tell me that my ID 53 sensor showed signs of corrosion I would be fairly insistent that they showed me some irrefutable proof as, frankly, I simply would not believe them.

Going back, if I may, to something which you wrote in post #107;

"...according to Leica the sensor is slightly corroded..."

Did they give you any idea as to what they might propose to do were that the case? Leica haven't been able to replace corroded sensors for a handful of years  now (since 2020?) as the sensor's manufacturer themselves had ceased production. As such no repair / replacement - from Leica - will be possible. Further to that point I would say that it is vital for you to ascertain whether the seller has provided misleading information regarding the CCD ID # and if there IS corrrosion then you should get the camera back from Wetzlar and return the camera to the seller for a refund as soon as is possible.

Your thoughts about asking for a photograph to indicate such a problem would be a good place to start along with a shot of your camera's CCD ID # info.

If you have a minute you might have a quick google for M9 / M Monochrom v2 sensor corrosion and see whether anything credible turns up...

Philip.

* AFAIK the 'colour' M9 cameras with the v1 sensor had ID No's 5, 8, 11 and 12. Anything from ID 15 and higher indicates the v2 sensor.

EDIT : If you would care to post any DNG file taken towards the latter days of your ownership it might be useful for members to give an assessment of whether there is anything to see. Typically the corrosion is far more clearly visible at smaller apertures as it can be difficult to spot when a fast lens is used wide-open.

Edited August 4 by pippy