Showcasing Leica Q3 insane image abilities

[Al Brown]

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26 minutes ago, Qwertynm said:

If the Q3 doesn’t suit you, just move along and don’t engage. 

Let’s start by not forgetting that this is a public forum based in a free and democratic part of the world and as I feel I do not owe you anything I will engage anywhere and anytime I want to. This is not reddit so let’s keep statements like these to an absolute minimum which is zero.

Now that we hopefully got this out of our system we can move on with creative and enlightened debate.

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[LocalHero1953]

4 hours ago, Al Brown said:

Saying 28mm is a tri-focal lens (28-35-50) because you have 60 megapixels is just very amateur.

Spoken like a true pro. The sort I avoid.

[Corius]

1 hour ago, Al Brown said:

Now that we hopefully got this out of our system we can move on with creative and enlightened debate.

Oh, sorry to hear that you're quitting the forum!

[jaapv]

6 hours ago, Al Brown said:

Sure, it's the distance between subject and camera that matters. I choose focal lengths based on what I want to convey with the sense of depth between objects in a photo. I come from a school that says cropping makes a difference in DOF as you correctly state. And from a school that says do as much work in camera as possible so you do not have to crop much later, except if it aids your composition. Arny Freytag of Playboy fame taught me that. My post #13 was meant in this latter sense applicable to any resolution camera. Cropping in post to get to, say, 50mm from 28 mm because you have 60 megapixels is in my book amateurish laziness despite it being a favorite buzz word of Leica Q marketing department. Try that wit a 6 megapixel camera. BUT THERE IS NOTHING WRONG BEING AMATEURISH AND LAZY. Auto white balance, auto everything, shooting jpegs, all that falls under the same category in my book. Hopefully I have shed some light on what I wanted to say.
Just my opinion and view. Absolutely no need to agree.

OK so get  a hacksaw and put a 60 mm lens on your Q…. To me the camera is only a tool to provide the data that I need to create the image that I visualized before pressing the shutter button into the darkroom/ computer to create the final result. I fail to see the moral superiority in one sequence of technical steps over another. So you crop in the camera or in post. No difference in result. I suspect that you are playing devil’s advocate here. 

[NightPix]

Gentlemen, I’ve been following this discussion and IMHO it’s gotten a bit off track.  The Q2 and Q3 are great cameras for those times (eg travel) when bringing a bag full of lenses isn’t practical. The point is to get the shot, even if cropping is what it takes to make a good composition. There are other times when a more intentional kit is called for (eg a long tele for wildlife) but even then cropping might be needed for composition. In my experience, having the perfect body + lens combo for the perfect FoV and DoF to get the right composition while traveling is mostly a matter of luck. I’ve missed many a shot while I was changing lenses. 

[costa43]

I’m a fan of ‘seeing’ in the focal length that I’m using, I enjoy shooting this way so I rarely look at a scene and shoot it with the intention of a deep crop in post. Saying that, I can really see the benefit if that is your preference. My use of cropping is more for aspect ratio or tidying up a frame so I tend to prefer lower mp cameras as the benefits they bring to the table are benefits that suit my way of taking pictures more. Each to their own as always. 

[Qwertynm]

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vor 12 Stunden schrieb Al Brown:

Let’s start by not forgetting that this is a public forum based in a free and democratic part of the world and as I feel I do not owe you anything I will engage anywhere and anytime I want to. This is not reddit so let’s keep statements like these to an absolute minimum which is zero.

I don't want to silence you. Everyone has an opinion. What I meant to say is that sometimes it's better to keep it to oneself if the idea doesn't contribute to a fruitful discussion about a topic and is just there to be contrarian. the statements from you in this thread come across a bit belittling to me as a Q3 user - that's what I meant with off base. If you don't get the concept of that camera or it's not for you, you don't need to buy it. You don't have to trash talk the camera or its users. I know this is a public forum but there exists something called netiquette or guidelines in how a forum is moderated. We as users set the tone for discussions. Don't you think we can do better?

[Al Brown]

6 minutes ago, Qwertynm said:

I don't want to silence you. Everyone has an opinion. What I meant to say is that sometimes it's better to keep it to oneself if the idea doesn't contribute to a fruitful discussion about a topic and is just there to be contrarian. the statements from you in this thread come across a bit belittling to me as a Q3 user - that's what I meant with off base. If you don't get the concept of that camera or it's not for you, you don't need to buy it. You don't have to trash talk the camera or its users. I know this is a public forum but there exists something called netiquette or guidelines in how a forum is moderated. We as users set the tone for discussions. Don't you think we can do better?

The thing is it was no trash talk, I have hyped & praised the Q3 in almost every comment - see my last sentence in post #17. I have just expressed my opinion on how I feel on exaggerated shoot for crop approach. I strongly believe pro AND contra opinion is fruitful and the only way to develop a debate and there was in no place whatsoever any diss for the Q3. I am dumbstruck how triggered some folks got with my opinion.

[Qwertynm]

Am 24.5.2024 um 15:31 schrieb Al Brown:

for the lazy tourists.

vor 14 Stunden schrieb Al Brown:

in my book amateurish laziness despite it being a favorite buzz word of Leica Q marketing department.

what sort of response do you expect if you have statements like these in your otherwise valid posts?

[Al Brown]

10 minutes ago, Qwertynm said:

what sort of response do you expect if you have statements like these in your otherwise valid posts?

Not a single thing is false or dissing in my statements. Tons of lazy tourists out there, tons of clever folks at Q marketing department in Wetzlar.

[LocalHero1953]

17 hours ago, Al Brown said:

BUT THERE IS NOTHING WRONG BEING AMATEURISH AND LAZY

Perhaps. But you use the words 'amateur', associated with 'lazy', in an obviously derogatory way. As you say, it is your opinion, but you must expect blow back from a forum and market (Leica's and that of most other brands) that is mostly amateur. But then I have always seen 'amateur' as a characteristic of those who engage in an activity because they love it (per the word derivation) not as a quality standard. There are both good and bad amateur photographers (and professional photographers, in my experience).

[clasami]

The best and only useful thing about high MP sensors (like the one in my a7cR, RX1MkII, or Q2) is the ability to crop. One or two lenses and I am covered for a whole trip. Lazy? Don't care, getting excellent results with in-camera and in-post crop.

[NightPix]

1 hour ago, clasami said:

Lazy? Don't care, getting excellent results with in-camera and in-post crop.

There are times when lugging a full kit isn't practical or desirable. For example, I'm heading to Scotland with the kids and their families and I'd rather enjoy the time together than fuss with equipment, so a Q3 is perfect because I know I'll have great photos when I get home (even if some cropping is necessary). On the other hand, when I was shooting wildlife and the northern lights in Canada I took a full kit because I had time to assess each shot and set up the equipment accordingly. I get that there are some quibbles over getting the technical terminology right, but in the end it's the images that matter. 

 

2 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

There are both good and bad amateur photographers (and professional photographers, in my experience).

I agree. At one time or another I've been each of these possibilities.   

[bobtodrick]

6 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

There are both good and bad amateur photographers (and professional photographers, in my experience).

I’ll always remember the words of one of my client…one on the most successful commercial photographers in our area https://www.rothandramberg.com

She said some of the best photography she ever saw was squirrelled away in the closets of amateurs (this before the days of the ‘net) because they photographed things that had meaning to them and they put their soul into it…whereas the ‘pro’ photographer for money.

[gotium]

Well I'm an amateur and I'm lazy, and I have no problem with that. I don't use crop mode though. 

[bobtodrick]

36 minutes ago, AussieQ said:

Oh dear, the aggressive nature of the replies!

Just let the users use their cameras as they see fit and let them comprehend their camera's potential for themselves. No its not a 75mm blah blah blah. I use the lets call them crop modes and they serve a purpose. Combined with the impressive sensor, this all equals a camera that allows the user to comfortably travel without the need for large cumbersome back packs full of glass ( and there is nothing wrong with those who enjoy this style of travel ). Yes I know the quality of the 75mm and 90mm listed crops isnt high quality, but in this age of sharing your content with family and friends on 5.5 inches of smartphone screen, the photos look damn good.

So those who believe that the crops are not a true 35, 50, 75 and 90, then so be it...they are not in your eyes be it technical or not. For those who believe the crops do enhance their user experience then keep shooting, keep cropping and enjoy your camera. This bickering about this and that is so childish in these forums and its not just photography, sailing, golf, motorsports...there always arguments and arguments in forums.

 

To the original poster, yes the quality is impressive when cropping and I too would only travel with my Q3, as I am comfortable with the performance it delivers. Just take photos people, share them with family and friends...........one day.....you wont be able to take photos anymore and you wasted your time whining about silly things.

I so agree with this.

I don’t get the ‘I do it this way, everyone else should too’ that is so prevalent on forums today 😡

[Le Chef]

I couldn’t give a flying fandango: I crop in post with all the cameras and lenses at my disposal. 

[Wellsyboy]

On 5/24/2024 at 2:05 PM, Qwertynm said:

some loaded statements in there...

yes, it's a great travel companion.

no to the above

 

Agree - The more you crop the more pixels you use - yes - its fine if you are only going to produce low resolution images for viewing on the internet but the same sensor with interchangeable lenses (e.g. longer focal lengths) would produce much better images for large screen viewing or printing. However, that would defeat the object of the camera. Just took it on holiday to Mauritius - it is a fantastic camera for street photography and the like but 28mm can be quite limiting.

I don't use the crop mode in camera because I find it slightly annoying and I also have to remember to reset it each time which involves multiple presses of a function button. I shoot raw so if I need to crop (which is a perfectly valid thing to do for any one BTW) I do it in post. However, for those that just shoot jpg or you want the accessibility of producing and sharing a jpeg for convenience (and wonderful jpegs they are from this camera) I agree, it would be easier to be able to see the crop as is in the EVF or on the screen. 

To harp on about how amateur or lazy cropping is not only ignorant but trollish and doesn't have a place in communities like this. It is unecessary to say that short of stuff especially when it is just a subjective opinion. 

Edited May 28, 2024 by Wellsyboy

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[Le Chef]

And if you crop you can resolve some resolution issues by using a denoise program. And those programs come without inherent prissiness or snobbery.

[NightPix]

8 hours ago, Wellsyboy said:

Agree - The more you crop the more pixels you use - yes - its fine if you are only going to produce low resolution images for viewing on the internet but the same sensor with interchangeable lenses (e.g. longer focal lengths) would produce much better images for large screen viewing or printing. However, that would defeat the object of the camera. Just took it on holiday to Mauritius - it is a fantastic camera for street photography and the like but 28mm can be quite limiting.

I don't use the crop mode in camera because I find it slightly annoying and I also have to remember to reset it each time which involves multiple presses of a function button. I shoot raw so if I need to crop (which is a perfectly valid thing to do for any one BTW) I do it in post. However, for those that just shoot jpg or you want the accessibility of producing and sharing a jpeg for convenience (and wonderful jpegs they are from this camera) I agree, it would be easier to be able to see the crop as is in the EVF or on the screen. 

To harp on about how amateur or lazy cropping is not only ignorant but trollish and doesn't have a place in communities like this. It is unecessary to say that short of stuff especially when it is just a subjective opinion. 

I have to agree completely. One can always get out an SL2 or SL3 and the appropriate lens to get a high resolution image of the desired composition. But if you are traveling or just out and about, you likely won't have all that gear with you (and don't forget the tripod!), and that's why the Q series was created. I shoot DNG's only and a lot of B&W so I have the camera set up to see that in the viewfinder, but in LR I have the whole image and all the color to work with if I want. I like to keep the 35mm crop lines turned on because I prefer that over 28mm and it allows me to see what's happening outside the desired "35mm" scene (kind of like on an m viewfinder). It's a useful and convenient method that works for me. Any cropping happens in post on the full image. I've tried carrying my SL2 with a 35mm m-lens but it's still heavier and definitely not as convenient (or as a fun) as using a Q3.