Showcasing Leica Q3 insane image abilities

[Qwertynm]

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vor 12 Stunden schrieb Al Brown:

Let’s start by not forgetting that this is a public forum based in a free and democratic part of the world and as I feel I do not owe you anything I will engage anywhere and anytime I want to. This is not reddit so let’s keep statements like these to an absolute minimum which is zero.

I don't want to silence you. Everyone has an opinion. What I meant to say is that sometimes it's better to keep it to oneself if the idea doesn't contribute to a fruitful discussion about a topic and is just there to be contrarian. the statements from you in this thread come across a bit belittling to me as a Q3 user - that's what I meant with off base. If you don't get the concept of that camera or it's not for you, you don't need to buy it. You don't have to trash talk the camera or its users. I know this is a public forum but there exists something called netiquette or guidelines in how a forum is moderated. We as users set the tone for discussions. Don't you think we can do better?

[Qwertynm]

Am 24.5.2024 um 15:31 schrieb Al Brown:

for the lazy tourists.

vor 14 Stunden schrieb Al Brown:

in my book amateurish laziness despite it being a favorite buzz word of Leica Q marketing department.

what sort of response do you expect if you have statements like these in your otherwise valid posts?

[LocalHero1953]

17 hours ago, Al Brown said:

BUT THERE IS NOTHING WRONG BEING AMATEURISH AND LAZY

Perhaps. But you use the words 'amateur', associated with 'lazy', in an obviously derogatory way. As you say, it is your opinion, but you must expect blow back from a forum and market (Leica's and that of most other brands) that is mostly amateur. But then I have always seen 'amateur' as a characteristic of those who engage in an activity because they love it (per the word derivation) not as a quality standard. There are both good and bad amateur photographers (and professional photographers, in my experience).

[clasami]

The best and only useful thing about high MP sensors (like the one in my a7cR, RX1MkII, or Q2) is the ability to crop. One or two lenses and I am covered for a whole trip. Lazy? Don't care, getting excellent results with in-camera and in-post crop.

[NightPix]

1 hour ago, clasami said:

Lazy? Don't care, getting excellent results with in-camera and in-post crop.

There are times when lugging a full kit isn't practical or desirable. For example, I'm heading to Scotland with the kids and their families and I'd rather enjoy the time together than fuss with equipment, so a Q3 is perfect because I know I'll have great photos when I get home (even if some cropping is necessary). On the other hand, when I was shooting wildlife and the northern lights in Canada I took a full kit because I had time to assess each shot and set up the equipment accordingly. I get that there are some quibbles over getting the technical terminology right, but in the end it's the images that matter. 

 

2 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

There are both good and bad amateur photographers (and professional photographers, in my experience).

I agree. At one time or another I've been each of these possibilities.   

[bobtodrick]

6 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

There are both good and bad amateur photographers (and professional photographers, in my experience).

I’ll always remember the words of one of my client…one on the most successful commercial photographers in our area https://www.rothandramberg.com

She said some of the best photography she ever saw was squirrelled away in the closets of amateurs (this before the days of the ‘net) because they photographed things that had meaning to them and they put their soul into it…whereas the ‘pro’ photographer for money.

[gotium]

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Well I'm an amateur and I'm lazy, and I have no problem with that. I don't use crop mode though. 

[bobtodrick]

36 minutes ago, AussieQ said:

Oh dear, the aggressive nature of the replies!

Just let the users use their cameras as they see fit and let them comprehend their camera's potential for themselves. No its not a 75mm blah blah blah. I use the lets call them crop modes and they serve a purpose. Combined with the impressive sensor, this all equals a camera that allows the user to comfortably travel without the need for large cumbersome back packs full of glass ( and there is nothing wrong with those who enjoy this style of travel ). Yes I know the quality of the 75mm and 90mm listed crops isnt high quality, but in this age of sharing your content with family and friends on 5.5 inches of smartphone screen, the photos look damn good.

So those who believe that the crops are not a true 35, 50, 75 and 90, then so be it...they are not in your eyes be it technical or not. For those who believe the crops do enhance their user experience then keep shooting, keep cropping and enjoy your camera. This bickering about this and that is so childish in these forums and its not just photography, sailing, golf, motorsports...there always arguments and arguments in forums.

 

To the original poster, yes the quality is impressive when cropping and I too would only travel with my Q3, as I am comfortable with the performance it delivers. Just take photos people, share them with family and friends...........one day.....you wont be able to take photos anymore and you wasted your time whining about silly things.

I so agree with this.

I don’t get the ‘I do it this way, everyone else should too’ that is so prevalent on forums today 😡

[Le Chef]

I couldn’t give a flying fandango: I crop in post with all the cameras and lenses at my disposal. 

[Wellsyboy]

On 5/24/2024 at 2:05 PM, Qwertynm said:

some loaded statements in there...

yes, it's a great travel companion.

no to the above

 

Agree - The more you crop the more pixels you use - yes - its fine if you are only going to produce low resolution images for viewing on the internet but the same sensor with interchangeable lenses (e.g. longer focal lengths) would produce much better images for large screen viewing or printing. However, that would defeat the object of the camera. Just took it on holiday to Mauritius - it is a fantastic camera for street photography and the like but 28mm can be quite limiting.

I don't use the crop mode in camera because I find it slightly annoying and I also have to remember to reset it each time which involves multiple presses of a function button. I shoot raw so if I need to crop (which is a perfectly valid thing to do for any one BTW) I do it in post. However, for those that just shoot jpg or you want the accessibility of producing and sharing a jpeg for convenience (and wonderful jpegs they are from this camera) I agree, it would be easier to be able to see the crop as is in the EVF or on the screen. 

To harp on about how amateur or lazy cropping is not only ignorant but trollish and doesn't have a place in communities like this. It is unecessary to say that short of stuff especially when it is just a subjective opinion. 

Edited May 28, 2024 by Wellsyboy

[Le Chef]

And if you crop you can resolve some resolution issues by using a denoise program. And those programs come without inherent prissiness or snobbery.

[NightPix]

8 hours ago, Wellsyboy said:

Agree - The more you crop the more pixels you use - yes - its fine if you are only going to produce low resolution images for viewing on the internet but the same sensor with interchangeable lenses (e.g. longer focal lengths) would produce much better images for large screen viewing or printing. However, that would defeat the object of the camera. Just took it on holiday to Mauritius - it is a fantastic camera for street photography and the like but 28mm can be quite limiting.

I don't use the crop mode in camera because I find it slightly annoying and I also have to remember to reset it each time which involves multiple presses of a function button. I shoot raw so if I need to crop (which is a perfectly valid thing to do for any one BTW) I do it in post. However, for those that just shoot jpg or you want the accessibility of producing and sharing a jpeg for convenience (and wonderful jpegs they are from this camera) I agree, it would be easier to be able to see the crop as is in the EVF or on the screen. 

To harp on about how amateur or lazy cropping is not only ignorant but trollish and doesn't have a place in communities like this. It is unecessary to say that short of stuff especially when it is just a subjective opinion. 

I have to agree completely. One can always get out an SL2 or SL3 and the appropriate lens to get a high resolution image of the desired composition. But if you are traveling or just out and about, you likely won't have all that gear with you (and don't forget the tripod!), and that's why the Q series was created. I shoot DNG's only and a lot of B&W so I have the camera set up to see that in the viewfinder, but in LR I have the whole image and all the color to work with if I want. I like to keep the 35mm crop lines turned on because I prefer that over 28mm and it allows me to see what's happening outside the desired "35mm" scene (kind of like on an m viewfinder). It's a useful and convenient method that works for me. Any cropping happens in post on the full image. I've tried carrying my SL2 with a 35mm m-lens but it's still heavier and definitely not as convenient (or as a fun) as using a Q3. 

[Wellsyboy]

16 hours ago, NightPix said:

I have to agree completely. One can always get out an SL2 or SL3 and the appropriate lens to get a high resolution image of the desired composition. But if you are traveling or just out and about, you likely won't have all that gear with you (and don't forget the tripod!), and that's why the Q series was created. I shoot DNG's only and a lot of B&W so I have the camera set up to see that in the viewfinder, but in LR I have the whole image and all the color to work with if I want. I like to keep the 35mm crop lines turned on because I prefer that over 28mm and it allows me to see what's happening outside the desired "35mm" scene (kind of like on an m viewfinder). It's a useful and convenient method that works for me. Any cropping happens in post on the full image. I've tried carrying my SL2 with a 35mm m-lens but it's still heavier and definitely not as convenient (or as a fun) as using a Q3. 

Hmmmm... I might try that 35mm crop thing - sounds like an interesting idea. Might have a play with that.

[ianforber]

I’m an amateur photographer. I love to crop and bought my Q2 and M11 specifically because I believe they allow me more scope to do so.

The Q2 is a great travel camera and I expect the Q3 to be the same. 

I'm not lazy. 

Thats “my truth” as they say these days. Recollections Opinions may vary. 😁

[Kozonoh]

On 5/26/2024 at 6:35 PM, Al Brown said:

Yes of course, in post production cropping is used to aid in perfecting composition, not for replacing focal lengths in the field like some folks would like to. Saying 28mm is a tri-focal lens (28-35-50) because you have 60 megapixels is just very amateur. I crop all the time in Photoshop but I would never think of cropping into a 28mm image to pretend it was made with a 50mm. Bresson, the most quoted photographer in this forum, would immediatelly start turning in his grave. I do not want to invent hot water as we say and lots of megabytes of threads have been written on the subject. Everybody is stil lfree to do whatever they want.

I think most important thing is that we all agree Q3 is an insanely good and capable camera - and you of course pay the premium for that.

You just don't know what Cartier Bresson would have thought about today tools and how he would have used them. And by the way he is just one great photographer among so many.

[jjroroek]

I come from a m10-r and have been using the q3 now for a month now. . I am very  impressed  with its  sharpness,  autofocus,  image stabilisatie,  high iso performance and post processing possibility's   With  the q3 about 85 % of the pictures are razor sharp  even at 1/8 sec ( impossible withe the m10-r)  the perspective bij cropping the image is the same as using different lenses on my m10. the only real difference between cropping en changing a lens is the DOF. if you crop to 50 mm on the q3 f1.7   the DOF is like an 2.8 /50 mm   . that  is still reasonable but not like shooting with a summilux 50 mm on a leica m. I agree with the point that you should do as much work as possible in the camera, but if that causes you to miss important moments then you have to make other choices. That could mean more postprocessing or changing to a camera that do more work for you. 

Another fact   i had to get used to is that I  don't belong anymore to the exclusive conservative family of m users  :-)......But that was easy to accept now that I experience the results of the Q3

[David Wien]

1 hour ago, jjroroek said:

I come from a m10-r and have been using the q3 now for a month now. . I am very  impressed  with its  sharpness,  autofocus,  image stabilisatie,  high iso performance and post processing possibility's   With  the q3 about 85 % of the pictures are razor sharp  even at 1/8 sec ( impossible withe the m10-r)  the perspective bij cropping the image is the same as using different lenses on my m10. the only real difference between cropping en changing a lens is the DOF. if you crop to 50 mm on the q3 f1.7   the DOF is like an 2.8 /50 mm   . that  is still reasonable but not like shooting with a summilux 50 mm on a leica m. I agree with the point that you should do as much work as possible in the camera, but if that causes you to miss important moments then you have to make other choices. That could mean more postprocessing or changing to a camera that do more work for you. 

Another fact   i had to get used to is that I  don't belong anymore to the exclusive conservative family of m users  :-)......But that was easy to accept now that I experience the results of the Q3

I agree with you about the Q3 — welcome to the exclusive happy family of Q users!

David

[randman]

I am astounded by the image quality of the Q3.  

Also, the JPEG image colors and skin tones are better than I can produce with the raw files.  I just like the jpeg's better.  

 

 

 

[JohnSantaF4]

On 5/24/2024 at 6:58 AM, odpr said:

I have seen many people in this forum asking if the Leica Q3 is a good travel companion and can replace the usual DSLR with several lenses.
Using the Leica in my last two trips to Europe as my only camera, I can say there is no need for any other camera.
The sensor of the camera, combined with the jaw-dropping lens, creates images I have never seen in any camera I used so far.
The 60MP, combined with the sharpest lens, creates images so sharp edge to edge that when you post-process the image in the computer, you can almost make any image you want with any area in the image.
This makes the crop feature built-in, very(!) handy, and usable. You can get a real 35/50/75 mm
Image with it.
I attached two examples that shos how insane the sensor and the lens are.

 

 

 

 

 

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[Le Chef]

5 hours ago, randman said:

Also, the JPEG image colors and skin tones are better than I can produce with the raw files.  I just like the jpeg's better.

That’s shocking! What processing software are you using?