Carrot Posted May 3, 2024 Share #21 Posted May 3, 2024 Advertisement (gone after registration) I've tried all variations / combinations of metering and focusing and the issue persists. What I haven't indicated before is that what I see through the EVF or LCD is how I see the scene with my eyes away from the camera, it's the taken image that's more exposed (brighter) than my eyes see it, rather than it being the EVF/LCD making the scene appear darker than it is. Leica support have spent a good bit of time on this with me today, their response back and forth emailing with me with different settings to try has been excellent, but they are unable to identify what's going on so have now raised a ticket on this. I also have an SL2-S but it's not with me at the moment, but I intend testing my SL lenses out on that when I can to establish whether it's an issue with the lenses, though I feel that's unlikely as there are 5 of them behaving the same way. If the issue doesn't replicate on the SL2-S, then I'll try and find a setting somewhere between the two cameras that's different. Other than that there has to be a problem with my SL3. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jaydee Posted September 13, 2024 Share #22 Posted September 13, 2024 I'm experiencing exactly the same with the APO-35 and the SL3. Did you find you what caused the issue? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LeoTheStrategist Posted April 17 Share #24 Posted April 17 The serious problem of the exposure mismatch between what is displayed in the viewfinder and the final shot of the SL3 is known by Leica. It can be found on many Leica and Sigma fixed focal length lenses, it does not occur on zooms. Do not waste time trying various settings, it is useless, it does not depend on any settable setting. I personally spent a day in a Leica store testing various Leica and Sigma lenses on my SL3 and on two others in Store. The support contacted directly by the Store staff declares to be well aware of the problem and that they are working on it. Now: I consider this problem very, very serious, unacceptable on a product of this kind. Is it possible to release a camera on the market with a similar problem? But even worse, is it possible that after more than a year they have not been able to solve it? Maybe they are thinking of releasing a firmware update when the camera will be obsolete? Personally I believe that something like this creates significant damage to the image and makes you think a lot about future purchases from the brand. I am truly speechless, we just have to wait, perhaps next autumn considering the geological times of Leica, for the release of a firmware update. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 17 Share #25 Posted April 17 How does it do serious damage to the image? The EVF brightness is not an exposure meter, and it varies all the time with ambient light or menu setting. The image itself is not affected. This sounds like an annoyance, nothing more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeoTheStrategist Posted April 17 Share #26 Posted April 17 (edited) Ahah no, maybe I explained badly, it damages the brand image… Anyway the image in the EVF must correspond to the shot, as it has always been in previous generations such as the SL2. It is a problem recognized by Leica, but the question is when they plan to solve it. Edited April 17 by LeoTheStrategist Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Levin Posted April 17 Share #27 Posted April 17 Advertisement (gone after registration) I get that it is annoying. But looking through viewfinder of a dslr or even M series rangefinders isn’t “what you see is what you get”. There is some workaround: bracket exposures OR use the SL3 front function button (the bottom half) and engage the “live view(?)”. I think you have to press that button twice to activate. FWIW. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeoTheStrategist Posted April 17 Share #28 Posted April 17 One thing needs to be clarified, the defect described is recognized by Leica who is working on it. The SL2 series is absolutely not affected by this problem and what you see in the EVF corresponds exactly to the shot obtained. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 17 Share #29 Posted April 17 5 hours ago, LeoTheStrategist said: Ahah no, maybe I explained badly, it damages the brand image… Anyway the image in the EVF must correspond to the shot, as it has always been in previous generations such as the SL2. It is a problem recognized by Leica, but the question is when they plan to solve it. Ah, I see. Well, it has not attracted much attention on the Internet and not even on this forum, so the damage must be quite limited. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Levin Posted April 17 Share #30 Posted April 17 There’s this: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 17 Share #31 Posted April 17 Yes of course but people do not appear to be very excited. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeoTheStrategist Posted April 18 Share #32 Posted April 18 @jaapv taking a photo and getting a differently exposed one is no fun…especially when you do it with a $7000 body…🙈 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted April 18 Share #33 Posted April 18 (edited) 2 hours ago, LeoTheStrategist said: @jaapv taking a photo and getting a differently exposed one is no fun…especially when you do it with a $7000 body…🙈 Can you clarify: what do you use to set exposure? The EVF scene brightness? The exposure scale at the bottom of the EVF? The histogram? FWIW, on the SL2-S I use the histogram combined with the blinkies. I don't have a SL3 so can't comment on the problem, but I wouldn't trust my assessment of whether the screen looked to have the right brightness. Edited April 18 by LocalHero1953 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeoTheStrategist Posted April 18 Share #34 Posted April 18 @LocalHero1953 It doesn't matter what tools are used to evaluate the exposure, the electronic viewfinder must reflect the photo taken, on Leicas up to the SL2 (and for any other brand) it has always been like this, always perfect and corresponding. Furthermore, the histogram displayed before the shot is different from that of the photo taken. As I specified above, Leica recognizes the problem and seems to be working on it, but working very badly, considering that it released a top of the range product with a similar defect and after more than a year has not yet released a firmware fix. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted April 18 Share #35 Posted April 18 (edited) 11 minutes ago, LeoTheStrategist said: @LocalHero1953 It doesn't matter what tools are used to evaluate the exposure, the electronic viewfinder must reflect the photo taken, on Leicas up to the SL2 (and for any other brand) it has always been like this, always perfect and corresponding. Furthermore, the histogram displayed before the shot is different from that of the photo taken. As I specified above, Leica recognizes the problem and seems to be working on it, but working very badly, considering that it released a top of the range product with a similar defect and after more than a year has not yet released a firmware fix. Up to you, of course, but I certainly don't expect the EVF brightness to reflect the photo taken. It does largely work in the SL2-S, but it falls off in low light, and the EVF display blinkies are always over-cautious. That's why I use the histogram and the exposure meter. Of course it would be nice if they matched, and I don't doubt your comment about Leica's awareness. I rarely chimp, except for composition, so I guess I don't usually compare EVF brightness with image exposure - as long as my resultant exposures are correct. Edited April 18 by LocalHero1953 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted April 18 Share #36 Posted April 18 I don't see that issue with my SL3. Keep in mind that the Play in camera reflects a JPG image that has had some processing, such as iDR and lens correction that includes vignetting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted April 18 Share #37 Posted April 18 24 minutes ago, LeoTheStrategist said: on Leicas up to the SL2 (and for any other brand) it has always been like this, always perfect and corresponding. Furthermore, the histogram displayed before the shot is different from that of the photo taken. How far off is it? It's always been a best practice to check the histogram after exposure, with any brand of cameras. The preview image in the EVF isn't exposed in the same way, so it can never fully reflect what is in the DNG. That becomes especially true as you shutter speed strays away from the EVF refresh rate (1/60 or 1/120, depending on model and setting), and if your subject has a high lighting ratio. What's more troubling is that you find the EVF display to be inconsistent with different lenses. Can you tell us which lenses you used, and what settings you used (mode, exposure compensation, shutter, aperture)? Perhaps someone here uses the same combination of lenses on the SL3 and can confirm. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Levin Posted April 18 Share #38 Posted April 18 I have image review set so a long hold of shutter release show the photo just captured. I like that. But if I’m reading all this correctly the evf is not very natural. Our eyes have a greater dynamic range (that may be wrong term but you get the idea) so we see more detail in deep shadow and brighter highlights simultaneously. The SL3 evf highlights either look natural but the shadows are almost black in certain lighting conditions or the shadows look ok but the highlights . It’s probably just the limitation of the evf as of 2025. Will it get better? Probably. I can deal with it but sure would be nice for the evf to be an extension of what the eye sees… If I have an opportunity to bracket + or- I do. The dng files adjust beautifully though. Great comments though! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeoTheStrategist Posted April 18 Share #39 Posted April 18 No, I think we are not understood here. The SL3 and probably also the SL3-S suffer from a bug in the firmware that, with certain lenses, there is a difference in exposure of 2/3 - 1 stop between what the EVF displays and the recorded file. It is a bug, a problem, not something to be fixed with the various settings or procedures. It must be solved with a fix in the firmware. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted April 18 Share #40 Posted April 18 (edited) 1 hour ago, LeoTheStrategist said: No, I think we are not understood here. The SL3 and probably also the SL3-S suffer from a bug in the firmware that, with certain lenses, there is a difference in exposure of 2/3 - 1 stop between what the EVF displays and the recorded file. It is a bug, a problem, not something to be fixed with the various settings or procedures. It must be solved with a fix in the firmware. Once again (and not because I am criticising or disagreeing, but just to understand what you mean by the words I have put in bold) do you mean that when you set the exposure with the metering scale (at the bottom of the EVF), the recorded file is up to a stop over- or under-exposed? Or do you mean the recorded file is a stop different in visible brightness than the EVF? Edited April 18 by LocalHero1953 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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