Warming up the B/W jpeg

[Toby24]

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Hi. Is it possible to edit any of the film styles enough to bring up a nearly black / very dark sepia tone? I work primarily in-camera - I know this can be done in post - but the editable settings for mono don't have a saturation element.  I want to warm the B/W output.  Thanks

Edited March 30, 2024 by Toby24

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[jaapv]

If you want to process B&W properly you really need to shoot raw and use the appropriate section in LR Classic.

 

 

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[David Wien]

37 minutes ago, jaapv said:

If you want to process B&W properly you really need to shoot raw and use the appropriate section in LR Classic.

Is this really the only program that will achieve the effect that Toby24 is seeking?

David

Edited March 30, 2024 by David Wien

[jaapv]

No - nearly all  editors will have similar panels, including toning. I advise raw as that will preserve the headroom for fine-tuning the tonal values. Leica Looks is quite limited and really not meant for B&W. Siver Efex is another recommended program for B&W editing. In general, jpegs will not enable you to reach the image quality that you paid a not inconsiderable sum of money for. 

[Toby24]

Hi. Thanks for the responses. I know that this effect can be applied in post. My preference is to able to get as close as I can in-camera. Any Fuji, Olympus etc camera gives this option. 

I guess the Leica approach is very Raw-first? 

[bobtodrick]

3 hours ago, Toby24 said:

Hi. Thanks for the responses. I know that this effect can be applied in post. My preference is to able to get as close as I can in-camera. Any Fuji, Olympus etc camera gives this option. 

I guess the Leica approach is very Raw-first? 

I feel Leica aims at the photographer who wants total control.

I’ll agree that Fuji (I’ve owned the X100F) had some great JPEG option… but once you choose them that’s what you got.

Leica IMO takes a film based take.  You take the image and then in the darkroom you warm/selenium/blue/gold toned the print…but you always had a base neutral neg to work differently in the future.

So in that respect I think Leica’s thinking is ‘raw first’ because it gives you the most options.

[jaapv]

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On 3/31/2024 at 6:54 PM, Toby24 said:

Hi. Thanks for the responses. I know that this effect can be applied in post. My preference is to able to get as close as I can in-camera. Any Fuji, Olympus etc camera gives this option. 

I guess the Leica approach is very Raw-first? 

Mine certainly is but Leica’s as well. I don’t like the limited processing power of the camera messing up my photos. 
 

In my view the camera is a recording tool, the tuning of the photograph should be done optimally. Powerful software, a screen that actually shows what you are doing. Zeiss had a camera that attempted to do both, the ZX1. It was a notorious flop despite being an interesting idea. 
 

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[David Wien]

52 minutes ago, jaapv said:

. In my view the camera is a recording tool, the tuning of the photograph should be done optimally. Powerful software, a screen that actually shows what you are doing.

Most if my photos are processed from raw files. But the question that arises from the above is: „How much effort should we expect the camera to expend in preparing and displaying the ooc jpeg?“ We need to know that the exposure is acceptable, well positioned between the black and white levels, with a wide dynamic range, and in focus. The rest can be adjusted in post processing. Cameras that meet such minimal monitoring facilities (b&w screens) might be made more cheaply, while delivering excellent and manipulable raw files. Where should we draw the line?

David

 

Edited April 2, 2024 by David Wien