Leica M raw-files (which one is the best)

[pegelli]

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6 minutes ago, Smogg said:

I suggest comparing cameras using any but the same profile. Of course, I understand that the answers will be subjective. However, I am interested in the results

I think that's meaningless, you need to compare cameras each with their optimum profile the way you like it).

Comparing different cameras all with the same (and therefore not optimum) profile makes no sense to me.

And given the multitude of available profiles as well as taste differences between observers I agree with jaapv that such a ranking is meaningless, or even stronger cannot be made.

[jaapv]

33 minutes ago, pegelli said:

I think that's meaningless, you need to compare cameras each with their optimum profile the way you like it).

Comparing different cameras all with the same (and therefore not optimum) profile makes no sense to me.

And given the multitude of available profiles as well as taste differences between observers I agree with jaapv that such a ranking is meaningless, or even stronger cannot be made.

Measuring taste is always impossible. The only thing one can ask is: which choice of Bayer filters by the camera maker makes it easiest to obtain the results that I like under the circumstances that I edit and view them in? (Colour-managed workflow? Calibration ? Ambient light?) For me that would be the DMR, M8/9 and SL601. From Internet raws  I can only say that after the M240 ( the most work of all) all Leica M camera variants are much of a muchness. Very good but require a significant number of tweaks to optimize - for my taste. 

And then we have the problem that in RGB colour and luminosity are linked and squashed into one number  and influence each other. So the subject and lens choice will have a considerable impact on colour appreciation.

[Photoworks]

7 hours ago, Smogg said:

According to a survey, about 70 percent of photographers use Lightroom or ACR to process their images (https://narrative.so/blog/shotkit-survey-reveals-the-most-popular-alternatives-to-lightroom#). Luminar takes 17 percent, C1 - 12 percent. The rest can be neglected.
But in this case it doesn't matter. When I asked, I suggested choosing the best base Raw file in the photo editor you use and comparing different cameras within your favorite editor. And of course I didn't mean auto adjustment (does anyone actually do that? it's completely for dummies) from Lightroom, but only Adobe standard or Camera standard as a starting point if you use Lightroom like me.

You are still only seeing Adobe colors, not Leica.

Try shooting DNG+JPG and compare the different cameras JPG to see what camera you like best, the JPG follows the Leica representation.

You can try now to match the DNG in Lightroom to the JPG and save it as a preset, that is probably the closest you are going to get to the camera look.

Many people like LrC. I find often you have to change the profile and tweak it to make it look good and get back to a normal image. Other programs have Profiles that come closer to the finish look right after import.

David at Red Dot Forum makes LrC profiles to make the M10 files look like M9

 

[jaapv]

2 hours ago, Photoworks said:

You are still only seeing Adobe colors, not Leica

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