R 10, new traditions ?

[zapp]

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Do you think the R10 will be a 4/3rds mount.....

 

 

if so why ? if not why not ?

 

 

and do you think the Digilux line and the R line both continue on, does leica maintain two SLR's in the lineup....

 

 

if so why ? if not why not ?

 

Stop thinking; wait for next years photokina. Every other week people jump on the same or similar discussion, what do you want from the R10, why this, why that. If you can not wait - and nobody could blame for it since the first R digital is long overdue - buy a different brand now. The R10 discussion is going in circles since last photokina and will continue after next photokina, why did they add not this or that, what will the R11 be like.

[bono0272]

Is Leica just going to announce the new DSLR in the 2008 Photokina, or actually Leica will start shipping this new DSLR from the Photokina?

 

Leica announced the DMR in 2004 (?), but start shipping in mid 2005.

[jaapv]

I just wish Leica had stuck with the Digilux2 concept for the Digilux3. An integrated medium-compact reportage camera with a superb lens and a good 4/3 sensor, that is unique, but a small mid quality compromise DSLR? The market place is teeming with those.

The R10, I fear will be a big beast interesting enough to be a succes with the pros that do fashion, product shots and corporate work etc, but wildlife photographers will stick with Nikon and sports reporters with Canon. I would dearly love to see a 1.3 sensor-small box R10 for high-end amateur and wildlife etc. use.

[stunsworth]

Hi Jaap, I guess on the Digilux 2 replacement they were limited to whatever Panasonic had available. I'd still like a good p&s with an APS sized sensor, I don't know if I'll ever see it though.

 

Regarding the R10, we'll just have to wait an see. Photokina is a long way off, and we're seeing a lot of speculation already. Perhaps it's time to ingore all the R10 threads until we see what Leica are actually going to announce.

[jaapv]

One would venture, with the basic technological know-how of the Digilux2 and the development done one the M8 combined, that Leica would be able to come up with a real Digilux3 witout too much investment. Maybe patent/licensing considerations stand in the way.

[krabat]

One would venture, with the basic technological know-how of the Digilux2 and the development done one the M8 combined, that Leica would be able to come up with a real Digilux3 witout too much investment.

 

Yes! A REAL successor of the DL2 would also be my wish - the same superb optics, a larger sensor with lesser noise and higher ISO, 8 MPix or so would be sufficient, a RAW buffer, and the EVF with higher resolution - and completed. No need of a new fancy design or dozens of new functions.

 

Best regards, Peter.

[egibaud]

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I think people coming from 35mm are not just looking for full frame, but mainly after the 1X1.5 format.

 

4/3 gives a different composition to the pictures, less wide. And many photographers want to keep with what they've had for decenies.

 

The sensor size (full frame, 1.3, 1.5 etc.) is another story, the real deal is the picture proportion.

 

a 4/3 R10??? is like a professional camera with an amateur sensor proportion.

 

It does not make sense to me.

 

Eric

[boilerdoc]

It's got to be full frame does it not? Otherwise Leica will start out in a hole as far as DSLR is concerned. 18 MP maybe?

Steve

[earleygallery]

This reminds me about all the M8 speculation - not so long ago. It will be full frame, it will be 4/3, it will be APS whatever, it will have AF, it won't have AF but it will have focus confirmation, blah blah blah.

 

I'd take a cue from what Leica actually delivered with the M8 and apply that to what they might do with the R10, bearing in mind the typical use of the type of camera, potential market, competition etc.

 

The M8 was made to respond to the demand for a digital version of the M. That's exactly what it is albeit with the crop factor.

 

The R10 will have to offer a viable alternative to the other top end DSLR's out there. That for me would imply that it will be AF, full frame etc. I doubt it will be anything too radical, Leica will need to be certain that it will sell - in relative volume.

[carstenw]

The sensor size (full frame, 1.3, 1.5 etc.) is another story, the real deal is the picture proportion.

 

a 4/3 R10??? is like a professional camera with an amateur sensor proportion.

 

I normally agree with you, but this time not. The most professional of all formats, large format, is 5:4, more like 4:3 than like 3:2. Also, the current medium format digital backs are usually 4:3. The closer-to-square format means less wastage in typical magazine usage. Personally, I love the square format, but building a square sensor into a DSLR is not something I expect will be done. The mirror would be too large. 5:4 or 4:3 are options, and 3:2 and 16:9 could be cropped versions of the above.

[telyt]

The R10, I fear will be a big beast interesting enough to be a succes with the pros that do fashion, product shots and corporate work etc, but wildlife photographers will stick with Nikon

 

If the R9 replacement is unworkable in the field I'll stick with the DMR for wildlife work, not Nikon.

 

... I would dearly love to see a 1.3 sensor-small box R10 for high-end amateur and wildlife etc. use.

 

I'd love to use as much of the image circle of my lenses as possible so 24mm x 36mm would be fine with me.

[dhsimmonds]

Leica is not the sort of company to produce "me too" type products.

 

They are a niche company producing high end imaging products with status and prestige. Yes, quirky sometimes they may be..........but we all love using them, talking about them, even occasionally critising them perhaps. That is why we like reading and posting on this site.

 

As an R user I look forward to the R10 and I just hope that the lenses remain high quality but light in weight. For travelling I only take one body but several lenses, so I can put up with a heavier robust body if the lenses are light but tough. This is where manually focused lenses score over AF in my view.

[Stuart Richardson]

People don't use the R system because it is cheap and cheerful. They use it because it offers some of the best lenses in the 35mm format and because it is built extremely well. This is NOT the target 4/3rds market. 4/3rds is about compromises...how can we get good quality in a small camera etc. The promise of tiny, fast lenses has not been fulfilled and the cameras are essentially the same size as other mid-range DSLR's. When a 15mm lens in the R system costs 7000 dollars, do you think people are going to want that to be a 30mm f/2.8 for 7000 bucks? Probably not. I think it would be very very surprising and disappointing if it were not full-frame and over 14mp. Anything less would be baffling, frankly.