okram Posted November 21, 2007 Share #1 Posted November 21, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Last two months or so I we had a few error files shot with M8. They appear as medium grey screen on the camera display, and as error files in editing software. When noticing such files, the resolution for camera is reinserting the battery. I believe it is one more FW problem...I have lost about 10 images last two months, using last three different FW. But last night shooting I realized that they have something in common. Somehow (I believe that) is is connected to the orientation sensor of the camera. It happened in the moments when I tried to shoot vertical shot or once i tried to shoot downwards. A note to the FW developers.. Marko Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Shootist Posted November 21, 2007 Share #2 Posted November 21, 2007 No I think it is a problem with the SD card you are using. Try a new, different, card. Let me add that I have never had this problem nor has many other M8 owners and if they have it has been a bad SD card. Although you could be right that is has something to do with the orientation sensor IN YOUR camera. So it may be YOUR camera that needs fixing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 21, 2007 Share #3 Posted November 21, 2007 First time I heard this one. Keep us posted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Essemmlee Posted November 21, 2007 Share #4 Posted November 21, 2007 I must ask my cousin for the answer to this new one:D :D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
okram Posted November 21, 2007 Author Share #5 Posted November 21, 2007 It is no question. As about my M8 is broken, i have heard that every time I posted something about FW problem. I tried to be helpful, maybe somebody has some views about it, but it seems that I regret every time I post something here. want happen again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpattinson Posted November 21, 2007 Share #6 Posted November 21, 2007 Last two months or so I we had a few error files shot with M8.They appear as medium grey screen on the camera display, and as error files in editing software. When noticing such files, the resolution for camera is reinserting the battery. I believe it is one more FW problem...I have lost about 10 images last two months, using last three different FW. But last night shooting I realized that they have something in common. Somehow (I believe that) is is connected to the orientation sensor of the camera. It happened in the moments when I tried to shoot vertical shot or once i tried to shoot downwards. A note to the FW developers.. Marko Had that happen once, light grey screen along with the usual camera freeze requiring battery ejection to reset. I suspect it has to do with errors writing to the SD card which the camera seems to handle very badly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted November 21, 2007 Share #7 Posted November 21, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) It is no question.As about my M8 is broken, i have heard that every time I posted something about FW problem. I tried to be helpful, maybe somebody has some views about it, but it seems that I regret every time I post something here. want happen again. I'm sorry you feel that way. I was trying to help, as were the other members that replied. I suggested you try another, or NEW, SD card and see if it happens with that card. I don't see where that suggestion berated you in any way. Until you do try aanother or new card and you still have the problem I wouldn't think it is the cameras fault. I'm not saying it isn't but until you do some tests and post the results not many can help any further. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
okram Posted November 22, 2007 Author Share #8 Posted November 22, 2007 Comments here should be helpful to all. Maybe if we all posted comments that are directed in resolving FW issues, it would be helpful to Solms and users . It is a common problem, very probably related to FW problems. It shows randomly, so it is hard to do any test. SD card should not be a problem; I use Extreme 3 2gb. I have two, and they both showed the same result. This problem seems to be started after cca 1.107 fw. I repeat: it seems to show when shooting series of photos, in which it shows more at the moment when I try to shoot vertical shot. I cannot repeat the effect, though. The fact is that this is the only M8 issue, where one loses images, irreparable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 22, 2007 Share #9 Posted November 22, 2007 I think, if somebody suggests it might be the SD card, that is being helpful. These things are not infallible.And it is not a common problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJP Posted November 23, 2007 Share #10 Posted November 23, 2007 I really don't see how the SD card can be the cause of this. Obviously the M8 has a sensor for detecting horizontal/vertical shots, as it includes this in the EXIF data (that's how when you import in C1 the vertical shots are automatically rotated). So my hypothesis is: the sensor can get stuck in between and a grey screen & missed shot results. When pointing straight down (op up) this occurence would also make sense. This should be easy enough to override in firmware by more intelligent programming. Does anyone actually know how the V/H sensor works - is it a mechanical gizmo with a microswitch or something? Alternative is to jiggle the camera before each shot - or give it a firm whack with a blunt instrument. I smell a market for a new special M8 accessory (with matching snakeskin finish for a-la-carte M8 versions). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted November 23, 2007 Share #11 Posted November 23, 2007 Comments here should be helpful to all. Maybe if we all posted comments that are directed in resolving FW issues, it would be helpful to Solms and users . It is a common problem, very probably related to FW problems. It shows randomly, so it is hard to do any test. SD card should not be a problem; I use Extreme 3 2gb. I have two, and they both showed the same result. This problem seems to be started after cca 1.107 fw. I repeat: it seems to show when shooting series of photos, in which it shows more at the moment when I try to shoot vertical shot. I cannot repeat the effect, though. The fact is that this is the only M8 issue, where one loses images, irreparable. I think you are toally wrong. I have never had this problem, or lost a image that I remember, with the 3 M8's I've had AND your post is the first time I've heard of it on this forum. For you to dismiss it as a firmware problem WITHOUT even trying a NEW, and different manufacturers, SD card is foolish. If anything, if it's not a SD card problem, it's your particular M8's problem and has nothing to do with firmware. Otherwise you would of read about it before on this board. Sorry our replies trying to help don't suit you. Have a nice day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted November 23, 2007 Share #12 Posted November 23, 2007 Had that happen once, light grey screen along with the usual camera freeze requiring battery ejection to reset. I suspect it has to do with errors writing to the SD card which the camera seems to handle very badly. I had the grey screen happen once, as well as a few other lock ups that were all resolved quickly with the battery pull (both on my current body and the one it replaced). I think you hit it on the head here David - and it generally happens when shooting a sequence. I think it most definitely is a FW issue and I've used all my cards in other cameras (Canon Mk II) with no problems. That's not to say there are aren't a few bad cards out there, but this lock up problem seems to happen to quite a few M8 users. So it seems to be the processing that occasionally gets mangled and then chooses to freeze the camera. Kinda like good ol' OS 9 on the Mac! Hopefully Leica is taking a close look at the FW to resolving these kind of core issues (and quite possibly one reason they are unwilling to introduce new functions to the camera as we have requested). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
okram Posted November 23, 2007 Author Share #13 Posted November 23, 2007 I think you are toally wrong. I have never had this problem, or lost a image that I remember, with the 3 M8's I've had AND your post is the first time I've heard of it on this forum.For you to dismiss it as a firmware problem WITHOUT even trying a NEW, and different manufacturers, SD card is foolish. If anything, if it's not a SD card problem, it's your particular M8's problem and has nothing to do with firmware. Otherwise you would of read about it before on this board. Sorry our replies trying to help don't suit you. Have a nice day. Try search in this forum, and then write. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJP Posted November 23, 2007 Share #14 Posted November 23, 2007 I repeat: it seems to show when shooting series of photos, in which it shows more at the moment when I try to shoot vertical shot. I cannot repeat the effect, though. Do you mean it occurs when you are shooting horzontal shots and in that series rotate to vertical? Then it would still support my suggestion that it has something to do with the orientation sensor. See my previous post above. Can anyone explain to me how an SD card could cause drop-outs depending on the camera orientation? That just does not make sense to me. I mean the thing is firmly spring-loaded into its slot? Stephen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpattinson Posted November 24, 2007 Share #15 Posted November 24, 2007 Do you mean it occurs when you are shooting horzontal shots and in that series rotate to vertical? Then it would still support my suggestion that it has something to do with the orientation sensor. See my previous post above. Can anyone explain to me how an SD card could cause drop-outs depending on the camera orientation? That just does not make sense to me. I mean the thing is firmly spring-loaded into its slot? Stephen It could just be coincidence that it happened to the OP on vertical shots, I can't recall if my camera was vertical or not when it happened to me. But it's only happened once in over 10k exposures in my case - posted about it here: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m8-forum/36268-new-lockup-me-least.html#post378550 The more usual freeze up happens more often - but no grey screen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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