sdai Posted November 21, 2007 Share #1 Â Posted November 21, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) This thread deserves a sticky ... Â These pictures were pulled from PROFIFOTO's German web site so all credit goes to them ... it may not be a scientific test but you'll get the idea, folks. Â Let's hope the R10 has the biggest possible sensor without jeopardizing backward compatibility ... all R faithfuls should get a 30% discount. LOL Â Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pascal_meheut Posted November 21, 2007 Share #2  Posted November 21, 2007 Excellent example because we all know that the point in portrait is to get every detail of every pore of the skin  And because comparing images with different exposure, WB, sharpening and of different sizes is always informative Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted November 21, 2007 Share #3  Posted November 21, 2007 I guess if you're into eye identification photos you should get the Hasselblad, but I'll stick to small sensor cameras for the time being — and I was silly enough to think that photogarophy was about the pictures, not skin pores.       —Mitch/Paris Mitch Alland's slideshow on Flickr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 21, 2007 Share #4 Â Posted November 21, 2007 ...Let's hope the R10 has the biggest possible sensor...[/img] Lets's hope the R10 has the smallest body possible a la R4/R7. Just bought an old R4s to fit my recently acquired R lenses. What a pleasure to use such a tiny body folks. It's even smaller than my D70 and it does full frame! Why would DSLRs be fat beasts actually? Big sensor, what for? A Leica is not a Sinar IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted November 21, 2007 Author Share #5 Â Posted November 21, 2007 Lets's hope the R10 has the smallest body possible a la R4/R7.Just bought an old R4s to fit my recently acquired R lenses. What a pleasure to use such a tiny body folks. Â I have no problem with that, LCT. Funny you've mentioned the R4/R7 because I just bought one R7 on eBay two days ago. LOL Â Tell you what ... if it was not because the Hasselblad is so heavy so clunky I've bought it already. If I need a pocket camera, Mitch has the answer already. Â Here's one ... another eye shot, from the Nikon D300 shot at base ISO ... got an idea? So Sony, Nikon got the best they can do NOW and it still looks like THIS. Â http://digitalcamera.impress.co.jp/07_12/auth/toku1/71207601_d300_s.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted November 21, 2007 Share #6 Â Posted November 21, 2007 Owning both a R4S and an R8 I have to say that I find the R8 the most comfortable of the two to use - you can't please everyone and Leica won't <grin>. Â My prediction is that the R10 will look like, and be the same size as, an R8/9, or perhaps an R8/9 with a motor drive fitted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted November 21, 2007 Share #7 Â Posted November 21, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) My look into the crystal ball says, that the R10 will have a similar look as the R9 with Winder, but be smaller. I hope MUCH smaller, so somehow the size of a E-3 would be fine :-)) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankg Posted November 21, 2007 Share #8 Â Posted November 21, 2007 The difference in scale between the M8 eye and the 5D eye is not 10 : 12 it's much larger in these images and the M8 file looks god awful. I've compared several 5D, M8 files of the same subject, same equivalent focal length when the M8 first came out and I needed a benchmark for where it's IQ was at. Â The differences where miniscule. Often the M8 had a slight edge because of the lack of AA filter. This particular set you posted is very misleading and not indicative of the actual comparative quality. IQ wise for most but not all subjects I'd pick M8 files over 5D output not because there is any advantage in quality per se but I find them much more maleable in post. Â Sean Reid did a test which is still online for those who are subscribers. His samples pretty much bear out what I found. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted November 21, 2007 Share #9 Â Posted November 21, 2007 One thing I noticed in the sample images (not test images) is that the lighting is different on the MF photos than on the smaller format ones. The MF ones have a large round fill plus a much smaller main light. This could add pop and contrast. The other photos did not have this small light source but were lit evenly with what looks like two rectangular soft boxes or flourescent light panels. (I didn't go to the original site to see if the "test" procedures were specified.) Â Â It makes me wonder what they had in mind when they decided to shoot comparitive photos with completely different lighting. Â By the way, Phase One has promotional material that compares the results from their backs with the Canon 1DsII. And those tests are a bit more exacting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 21, 2007 Share #10  Posted November 21, 2007 ...another eye shot, from the Nikon D300 shot at base ISO ... got an idea?... What cokebottle did they use to shoot that pic Simon? I get less plasticy results with my 'small' D70 by far... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/38552-bigger-is-better/?do=findComment&comment=408389'>More sharing options...
sdai Posted November 21, 2007 Author Share #11 Â Posted November 21, 2007 As I've said in the opening post, these were not meant to be test shots ... the German magazine has also made this clear on their site. Â It's just to give folks "an idea". Â If your camera doesn't look too good in this, please do not feel sad because the comparison is not fair ... if you want to know absolute lab test numbers I also have some of them, the absolute resolution of the M8 and the 5D is actually on par. Do not compare them to MF digital though, 'cause that'll be very funny. LOL Â My point is, you can't beat physics, the same rule in film era still applies in digital age. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted November 21, 2007 Author Share #12 Â Posted November 21, 2007 What cokebottle did they use to shoot that pic Simon? I get less plasticy results with my 'small' D70 by far... Â The 18-70 DX but, I believe any lens will do like this ... it's the plastic surgery in camera at its best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted November 21, 2007 Share #13 Â Posted November 21, 2007 I've just come back from a Nikon Roadshow Day, looking in more detail at the D3 and the new 24-70 f2.8 lens. Certainly sets a performance and value benchmark which the R10 will have to try hard to beat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 21, 2007 Share #14 Â Posted November 21, 2007 The 18-70 DX but, I believe any lens will do like this ... it's the plastic surgery in camera at its best. The 18-70 is a great little zoom distorsion aside but i wouldn't have used it for a sharp portrait personally. The $100 50/1.8 (here with a D70) would have done much better i guess, hopefully for the D300. No need of big sensors / Gross Berta digicams for that. Â Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted November 21, 2007 Author Share #15 Â Posted November 21, 2007 The 18-70 is a great little zoom distorsion aside but i wouldn't have used it for a sharp portrait personally. The $100 50/1.8 (here with a D70) would have done much better i guess, hopefully for the D300. No need of big sensors / Gross Berta digicams for that. Â No lens can do plastic surgery, LCT ... IF what I linked above is what the D300 can do, a 50/1.8 can't make it worse. LOL Â Big sensor means bigger pixel and less noise massaging, it will help you ... I believe 12.8 MP is the end of DX format, expect Nikon to go all full frame in the next round of offering. Actually, remember that young guy in charge of the D3 project and his picture I've posted here, he says in a Japanese magazine review that Nikon will introduce a consumer targeting FF DSLR in the next year ... Photokina '08 ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted November 21, 2007 Author Share #16  Posted November 21, 2007 I've just come back from a Nikon Roadshow Day, looking in more detail at the D3 and the new 24-70 f2.8 lens. Certainly sets a performance and value benchmark which the R10 will have to try hard to beat.  Photozone.de has a 24-70 test online already, Mark.  Nikkor AF-S 24-70mm f/2.8G ED - Photozone Review / Quick Test Report  If the R10 is gonna have 18+ FF pixels, then it should beat the D3 in absolute resolution easily. Good thing is ... you can have both, it's all about money for toys, right ... no mind storm needed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 21, 2007 Share #17 Â Posted November 21, 2007 ...Big sensor means bigger pixel and less noise massaging... Agree of course but a 24x36 sensor is not larger than a 24x36 film frame so i don't see why we should carry monstrous bodies to get FF digicams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted November 21, 2007 Author Share #18 Â Posted November 21, 2007 Agree of course but a 24x36 sensor is not larger than a 24x36 film frame so i don't see why we should carry monstrous bodies to get FF digicams. Â I've never asked for a bigger camera body ... only a big sensor, I'm in the same position of yours. If Hasselblad could make a H whatever D in the R9 body, I wouldn't waste my time on this board. LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 21, 2007 Share #19 Â Posted November 21, 2007 Would be great but big sensor means big camera so far... Now FF is the only way to get true wides at Leica actually so OK for a 24x36 sensor but not a larger one please Mr Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flatfour Posted November 21, 2007 Share #20 Â Posted November 21, 2007 At last - this is just the sort of comparison that HCB did ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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