Elmar 21mm F4, Please, Leica ! ! !

[fordfanjpn]

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If you go for one opinion yes .... but the whole finder for a 21mm did not work at all for me and was the reason i sold the 21mm asph..... i hope you at least do not wear glasses .... because if you do.... even a 24mm, using the whole viewfinder, is not a very comfortable and precize combo !

 

Thanks. That's good to know. And I do wear glasses, so that is a consideration for me. I'll have to find a place that will let me try the lens out before I buy it. I appreciate the advice.

 

Bill

[Shootist]

Thanks. That's good to know. And I do wear glasses, so that is a consideration for me. I'll have to find a place that will let me try the lens out before I buy it. I appreciate the advice.

 

Bill

Ok let me clarify my statement. Since no Leica RF camera has ever given the true FOV through the VF and FL I try to get into the image I'm take what I want in that image. If it capture a little more then what I want I don't find it a big deal. For that I have no problem using the whole VF window for framing the 21mm CV lens. For those that are AR about what is in or out of the image then maybe a RF type camera isn't the best choice, in fact no camera today is becasue I believe even DSLR's don't show you all of what will end up in the image.

[j. borger]

For those that are AR about what is in or out of the image then maybe a RF type camera isn't the best choice,..........

With all due respect .... but the imprecission of a 21mm lens using the whole viewfinder (especially if you wear glasses) is of a complete different magnitude than the imprecission of say the M8 internal 35 mm framelines for a 35mm lens.

If you can handle the 21mm without an external finder .. all the better ... i know there are more people who can do without ........ i can't, and i know i am not alone .... this is very personal and depends a lot on shooting style!

[woodyspedden]

Just a quick comment. If you replace the hideous hood on the Leica 21 Elmarit with one of the simple screw in types available on EBay (See Guy Mancuso's threads on the subject} The size difference seems not so great.

 

Woody Spedden

 

 

 

What i miss is a small 21 like the CV Skopar below so an Elmar, Summarit or whatever 21/4 would be great for me provided it shows less vignetting than the CV though.

 

[carstenw]

Woody, can you post such a shot?

[lct]

If you replace the hideous hood on the Leica 21 Elmarit with one of the simple screw in types available on EBay... the size difference seems not so great.

Without hood:

 

[Shootist]

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Woody, can you post such a shot?

 

Here is the 24mm without hood and the 21CV with the little "Hood"???? removed from the CV lens both with Leica IR filters.

I think the 21 Elmarit and 24Elmarit are about the same size.

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I'd have to say the 21CV is quite a bit smaller.

[brivadois]

I use the CV 21. I don't need viewfinder for landscapes, but I think it is necessary for other pictures.

I must say that if I had the money for it, sure I would take the Leica which is faster and probaly better, but the CV is a very good bargain.

 

François

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[venividivici]

Some thing puzzles me quite a lot about the M8 viewfinder.

 

I understand that it is difficult to have the 21mm view on the internal viewfinder on the film bodies, they only have up to 28mm.

 

But on the M8, with 1.33x crop factor, a 21mm becomes a 28mm effectively. How come it isn't in the field of the M8 viewfinder? Need some clarification here.

 

OK, I know it will make the framelines too crowded in VF with 35 and 25, but if the VF is wide enough for a 21, and close to the edge of the VF, we should be able to us the internal VF.

 

The magnification of the M8 VF is 0.68x if I'm not wrong, so it should be wider view then a 0.72x M6,7,P finder, which have a 28mm frame line. Only reason I can think of is that the viewfinder is smaller on the M8. if that is the case, that's bad, really bad ! ! !

 

I found the M6 viewfinder small already, can't imagine a poorer VF on the M8 ( I believe smaller VF = poorer VF ) .

[Shootist]

Becasue the body is thicker on the M8 making the VF/RF thicker making it have a narrower FOV. That is why they drop the magnification down from .72x, M6/7 standard, to .68x.

[carstenw]

Ding Yu, the framelines in the M8 finder are already adjusted for the crop factor. The 21 view is just outside the entire view of the viewfinder, so they cannot be added. The viewfinders of the M6 and M8 are otherwise very similar. Apart from the slight magnification difference, I see no other differences.