Ronazle Posted November 16, 2007 Share #1 Â Posted November 16, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello all, I am looking for help in identifying the artist who drew my portrait in 1945. Hopefully, someone will know or know of the artist. The original is a framed charcoal pencil sketch. The Artist was a German POW at Fort Lewis, Washington. The first attachment is a Reprovit IIa photo (ala Leica M8) of the portrait. The second attachment is the lower right corner of the portrait cropped from the tif original. Â Details are: f:11 @ 1/12 second, Focotar 50mm lens, M8 & C1 & PS sharpening set:off, monochrome by M8 and then channel mixer, contrast on M8: high, 160 ASA (you can tell I'm an old guy), IR filter used, white balance: 3200. Â If anyone has a pressing interest, I can supply a few more details of the sketch. The artist looked old to me but anyone over 12 looks old to a six year old. I really would be interested in knowing something of the artist amd what became of him. regards to all, thanks in advance. Ron T. L10046282.pdf L10046283.pdf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 16, 2007 Posted November 16, 2007 Hi Ronazle, Take a look here Who drew this portrait?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
rsolomon Posted November 17, 2007 Share #2 Â Posted November 17, 2007 why dont you try a an appraiser who specializes in this area ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronazle Posted November 17, 2007 Author Share #3 Â Posted November 17, 2007 I figured my best chance was finding someone who happened to know an obscure artiist. Odds are that the person who did the portrait never made a living at it. This forum seems ideal for getting a number of Europeans to look at the signature; perhaps it will be someone's relative. Besides that I was curious to see the reaction to a M8 copy of a portrait; if any. ron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogopix Posted November 20, 2007 Share #4  Posted November 20, 2007 Nmae looks like Langer a common name but can't you check archives under FOI?   HistoryLink Essay: Fort Lewis Prisoners of War (World War II)  here is a like on POWs at Ft Lewis  also, call the Ft Lewis military museum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugby Posted November 20, 2007 Share #5 Â Posted November 20, 2007 I think it is the German name..... Lainger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krabat Posted November 20, 2007 Share #6  Posted November 20, 2007 I think it is the German name..... Lainger  Yes, certainly. It was a German for sure, because he wrote "Weihnacht" for Christmas. Although, I've been confused at the first moment, because "Langer" would be much more common than "Lainger". Well, the dot of the "i" is hardly visible, so "Lamger" would also be possible. I tried the on-line telephone book of the German Telecom. NO entry for Lainger, NO entry for Lamger, 13.906 entries for Langer...  Best regards, Peter.  By the way, nice drawing... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronazle Posted November 20, 2007 Author Share #7 Â Posted November 20, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Victor, Dugby, & Peter. Thank you all for your efforts and ideas, I will make use of them. I was almost in complete dispair with so few responses. regards, ron t Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted November 20, 2007 Share #8 Â Posted November 20, 2007 I was almost in complete dispair with so few responses Ron it's a photo forum not a "Where's Wally" forum,,,,,,,,,, try a approprite forum Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Flatline Posted November 20, 2007 Share #9 Â Posted November 20, 2007 Looks like Lamger to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronazle Posted November 21, 2007 Author Share #10  Posted November 21, 2007 Ron it's a photo forum not a "Where's Wally" forum,,,,,,,,,, try a approprite forum  I was speaking lightly, although it may not have come through that way, when I made the despair comment. Having said that, I do believe that a Leica photo of a art work, albeit something less than a major work, takes it somewhat out of the "Where's Wally" category. Given the substantially European participation in the forum, I did think it might be a somewhat interesting photo, perhaps I was in error. It would be interesting to hear from others their viewpoint as to the appropriateness of this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugby Posted November 21, 2007 Share #11 Â Posted November 21, 2007 Ron, Â I see that photo subject was shot with a Leica product. The content was subsequently discussed. Â This conforms to my interpretation of the forum rules. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted November 21, 2007 Share #12 Â Posted November 21, 2007 All I am saying is that another forum aimed at this type of work( DRAWING/WW II) would be more fruitfull..............what's the name,where'e wally///////same same Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolo Posted November 21, 2007 Share #13 Â Posted November 21, 2007 Ron, Â I see that photo subject was shot with a Leica product. The content was subsequently discussed. Â This conforms to my interpretation of the forum rules. Â Â Oh dear ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bernd Banken Posted November 21, 2007 Share #14  Posted November 21, 2007 Der Maler Max Langer (1897 - 1985) in seinem Wohnhaus mit Atelier  This artist's name is Langer, he passed away in 1985. From his year of birth it could be that he had been a POW in the US. It's a try, thanks to google.  BTW: two years ago I found a person which signed a book in Amsterdam in 1556. This book belongs to my family-treasure, sorry - we have no Leicas.... Google knows it......  Regards Bernd  Edit:  http://www.loebau.info/netprodukt/web/download/loebau1/ud_Stadtj07_7_4.pdf  This small town Loebau is situated in the former DDR. The press release tells about the portraits of this artist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bernd Banken Posted November 21, 2007 Share #15  Posted November 21, 2007 the secret is solved:  The name must be Langer, because the artist used the "Sütterlin" version of the alphabet. This sütterlin has different ways as the current alphabet, look at the conversion-table: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/38254-who-drew-this-portrait/?do=findComment&comment=408239'>More sharing options...
Ronazle Posted November 21, 2007 Author Share #16  Posted November 21, 2007 the secret is solved: The name must be Langer, because the artist used the "Sütterlin" version of the alphabet. This sütterlin has different ways as the current alphabet, look at the conversion-table:  It looks like you are correct. Not until next week ( the curator is on vacation) can I check the Fort Lewis Museum POW records. Hopefully, the answer can be verified there. Unfortunately, the museum only has records for one year, but that is likely to be adequate. Thanks again all, Ron T. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronazle Posted December 2, 2007 Author Share #17 Â Posted December 2, 2007 Bernd et al, Looks like it might not have been Max Langer; perhaps I'll never know. It turns out that the Fort Lewis Museum has quite a few names of POWs but does not know exactly when they were listed or what the basis of the (one) list is. Having said that, there are some thousands of names on it. There is only one person born in the first decade of the 20th Century and only two before 1925. The listed POWs are all enlisted and were mostly caputured early (for Americans that is) in the war in North Africa. While there are several Langers, there is no Max. Given the inconclusive nature of the list, Max is possible, but less likely than I would like. ron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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