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I think this mostly ignored gem of a special edition (prices indicate so) deserves its own thread.
Especially with the L/E/I/C/A 001-500 and its 2500 pieces of silver M4-P bodies that somehow ended up being quite higher in numbers than promised and the "Napoleonic" engravers' mistake of "1813-1983" cameras... Plus all the special editon lenses and an engraved winder that - combined together - made this special edition so cool... The last Midlands M camera before M6 and the Canadian Leica "swan song", the last goodbye...

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On 9/5/2023 at 10:18 PM, Al Brown said:

I think this mostly ignored gem of a special edition (prices indicate so) deserves its own thread.

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nice idea.

Not mine, just showing original accessories * with Zertifikat "card" and special serial number on it

strap was original (= less refined than current straps ) steel made which mare the beauty's sides.

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* with some bonus on my own M4-P:

- double side pictures of "Eisenmarkt" one side 1913, sepia tone the other side 1983 plain b&w

- subscription card for Leica Fotografie (DM 44 ! one year)

- standard M4-P manual, "Notice d'utilisation" in French

" Passeport international Leica", mine still blank

 

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5 minutes ago, a.noctilux said:

👍

 

nice idea.

Not mine, just showing original accessories * with Zertifikat "card" and special serial number on it

strap was original (= less refined than current straps ) steel made which mare the beauty's sides.

 

* with some bonus on my own M4-P:

- double side pictures of "Eisenmarkt" one side 1913, sepia tone the other side 1983 plain b&w

- subscription card for Leica Fotografie (DM 44 ! one year)

- standard M4-P manual, "Notice d'utilisation" in French

" Passeport international Leica", mine still blank

 

These are not a bonuses, but the things it came with. You are missing two items - the round red dot Leica all capital letters sticker and a world wide dealers list ("index of agencies/index de representations").

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11 minutes ago, Al Brown said:

These are not a bonuses, but the things it came with. You are missing two items - the round red dot Leica all capital letters sticker and a world wide dealers list ("index of agencies/index de representations").

Right those hiden in the Passeport, I never saw them (= not in use).

The box is the old style (M4 for me) inside with two halfs preformed foam only, if I remember well, the body packed in plastic bag inside the foam,

no sophiscated rigid box as M6 and later more and more "packaging" big box like my M-A with drawers and all.

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1 hour ago, a.noctilux said:

The box is the old style (M4 for me) inside with two halfs preformed foam only, if I remember well, the body packed in plastic bag inside the foam,

no sophiscated rigid box as M6 and later more and more "packaging" big box like my M-A with drawers and all.

Indeed, as economy as a post-1975 Canadian Leica (M4-2, M4-P…) gets: styrofoam and no fine wood.

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On 9/5/2023 at 9:18 PM, Al Brown said:

 ...and the "Napoleonic" engravers' mistake of "1813-1983" cameras...

I hadn't heard of that -  how on earth did it pass QC?!

https://image.invaluable.com/housePhotos/Leitz/08/688208/H22140-L232421729.jpg

Very cool if you have one of course - there can now be no question of who invented 35mm cameras 🙂

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I took this M4-P out of the drawer to feel the forgotten real vulcanite touch.

Now I do know that this real vulcanite "touch" is another forgotten feeling.

I understand better now why my preference for film M these past years went to M2/M4/M4-2/M4-P, all these with old style vulcanite,

happily those of mine had never been recovered.

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7 hours ago, Anbaric said:

I hadn't heard of that -  how on earth did it pass QC?!

https://image.invaluable.com/housePhotos/Leitz/08/688208/H22140-L232421729.jpg

Very cool if you have one of course - there can now be no question of who invented 35mm cameras 🙂

Here is an official Leitz answer to the gentleman who inqured about the wrong engraving back in 1983 when the camera came out. It was a L3xx special edition number.

"...Thank you for the sent photo. Without a doubt the year 1813 is an engraving error. This may make the camera even more valuable for collectors. Best regards ERNST LEITZ WETZLAR GMBH"

A very Leica
answer...

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Too also add here, according to Leica and CameraQuest, there were 28/2.8 Elmarits, 35/1.4 Summiluxes, 35/2 Summicrons, 50/1.4 Summiluxes, 50/2 Summicrons, 75/1.4 Summiluxes, 90/2.8 Tele-Elmarits and black M4-2 Winders engraved with the anniversary text to match the camera.

Also, numbers over 500 in each series like the sample here.

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Fake or not, many years ago I saw Noctilux 1.0 with 1913-1983 engraving.

Anyway, not important for me fake or real, it's just another Noctilux with special engraving ☺️.

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Sorry I don't have serial number, it's not mine.

Wondering though, E58 or E60 filter ?

 

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On 9/5/2023 at 4:18 PM, Al Brown said:

I think this mostly ignored gem of a special edition (prices indicate so) deserves its own thread.
Especially with the L/E/I/C/A 001-500 and its 2500 pieces of silver M4-P bodies that somehow ended up being quite higher in numbers than promised and the "Napoleonic" engravers' mistake of "1813-1983" cameras... Plus all the special editon lenses and an engraved winder that - combined together - made this special edition so cool... The last Midlands M camera before M6 and the Canadian Leica "swan song", the last goodbye...

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Quite nice indeed.  The chrome m4-p "plain Jane" wa produce in even smaller number, something like 460 or so.  Sold mine last year to help fund my second M-A.  By the way I think the M4-P is the closest you can get to a M-A.  And don't forget that the M4-2 and M4-p saved Leica's ass, well at least the photography division.  OK enough I digress.

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On 9/7/2023 at 6:28 PM, a.noctilux said:

I took this M4-P out of the drawer to feel the forgotten real vulcanite touch.

Now I do know that this real vulcanite "touch" is another forgotten feeling.

I understand better now why my preference for film M these past years went to M2/M4/M4-2/M4-P, all these with old style vulcanite,

happily those of mine had never been recovered.

There's something about the dry, yet grippy, nature of real vulcanite. It just can't be beaten.

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On 9/8/2023 at 6:55 PM, Ouroboros said:

Has to be a contender for The Least Inspiring Limited Edition M Camera.

Up there with Anton Bruckner, Jaguar, Danish Royal Wedding and Ein Stuck Leica, which Gandy aptly named “I’m stuck with this camera”.

 

But the silver M4-P alone is awesome.

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One of the several dedicated jubilee edition lenses I owned that are mentioned mentioned in post #10, the 28/2.8 Elmarit. There were sightings of others with the engraving, lite the Noctilux referenced above.

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On 9/9/2023 at 2:25 AM, lekitr said:

The chrome m4-p "plain Jane" wa produce in even smaller number, something like 460 or so.

Actually, that is a disputed myth. According to Dennis Laney, of the total of 4.334 silver-plated M4-P cameras made, the majority, 2.500 pieces (or some more, as we all have seen the numbering for each letter does not end at 500), were launched as a limited edition model “1913-1983”. This leaves (if there would have been just 2.500 of them allocated to the special edition) a whopping 1.834 regular series silver chrome M4-P cameras in silver chrome finish!

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On 9/7/2023 at 1:55 PM, Borna said:

It is a beautiful camera, to be honest. Probably with time it will become rare and expensive. 

Well, it is 40 years old today and still neither rare nor expensive.... I found a store in Germany where it is even on "sale" lol...

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I bought mine from a dealer who offered it pre-owned but mint-. It had also been CLA'd by DAG. It was in its original box, showing it was made in Canada. It came with the instruction book for the M4-P, an authenticity certificate showing the I xxx serial, the two postcards attached, a promo brochure, and I guess the original plastic holder for the enclosures! Since all my other M's are black, the silver finish is a nice complement. Mine in 2018 cost $1495.00 USD, so they must be going up in price.

4 hours ago, Al Brown said:

Well, it is 40 years old today and still neither rare nor expensive.... I found a store in Germany where it is even on "sale" lol...

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