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[Domip]

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Hi, my Q2 (sold in the waiting for the Q3 to arrive) gave me an idea of what a good lens could give me in image quality. I was wondering if buying a SL2 and the 24-90mm I would get the same or even better quality.

[Simone_DF]

45 minutes ago, Domip said:

Hi, my Q2 (sold in the waiting for the Q3 to arrive) gave me an idea of what a good lens could give me in image quality. I was wondering if buying a SL2 and the 24-90mm I would get the same or even better quality.

It will, but the price to pay is bulk and weight

[dpitt]

I think you are comparing extremes in size and weight here. Why not pair the SL2 with a prime lens? The Q2 has a fixed prime lens. With the SL2 you can chose for the prime FL that suits you best and have a much smaller package. It will crop better than the Q2 with the 28mm Summicron SL and you can chose the 35mm or even the 50mm if that suits you better.

If it was me, I would not even mind focusing manually. Using a nice M lens or even a compact R zoom lens will make the package even smaller and lighter. And the advantage of the SL2 is, that you can switch from very compact  to a large zoom lens when you want to.

If you do not mind to carry the SL2 with a small prime in stead of the Q3, the SL2 will be the most flexible option and in the long run the lens will keep its value better than the Q3 or SL2.

[Domip]

Bedankt Dirk! Gegroet uit Brugge.

If I ask this it's because I want a small handy package that gives me ease of use and flexibility in my vacation , but especially lots of DOF and more than a one focal (28mm).

I've a X2D with some lenses but the shallow DOF is not what I want for landscapes. I never had the change to test an SL with 24-90 to see if I could find the microcontrast I'm looking for. Nikon D850 with wide angle zooms are good but not good enough.

 

[LocalHero1953]

I know it is traditional to avoid answering a question on the forum, but rather to tell you it's the wrong question, but.......

The Q2 is a Summilux (i.e. large aperture) lens. The 24-90 is 3.5-4 for most of its range, and I find this is is the most obvious difference between the two, especially when it comes to DoF and subject isolation. That said, for most purposes the IQ will be similar; depending on your expectations, I doubt you would be disappointed in that respect.

You also say you want a small handy package - IMO a SL2 and 24-90 is certainly not this! While you might be happy initially with the IQ of the 24-90, I predict you would soon be looking for something that satisfies all your wants rather than just IQ.

[Stuart Richardson]

1 hour ago, Domip said:

If I ask this it's because I want a small handy package that gives me ease of use and flexibility in my vacation , but especially lots of DOF and more than a one focal (28mm).

 

The SL2 with 24-90 is absolutely not this. It is not a "small handy package" with lots of depth of field. The camera and lens are over 2kg and the lens is up to 18cm long with an 82mm filter ring. It is big.

It sounds like you would be better served by APS C or even micro 4/3rds. What about a Fuji camera with a zoom? Or if it must be a Leica, the CL? Even an M with 2 or 3 lenses will fit the bill better.

[Domip]

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Okay, maybe I expres myself badly. 

With 'handy little package' I meant one body with one lens giving me the image quality (at least from the Q2), and zoom possibility.

I don't care the weight (I'm used to it). An Q3 is not an option as it has no zoom; an M is not as manual and not my thing.  A lens f3,5-4 is no problem as higher iso's are okay. But I want the accutance of a perfect lens.

If I start with a second hand SL with this 24-90, I'm into the SL-System, and when the future SL3 comes out, I'll have the high resolution with one lens.

My only question is this zoom perfect enough for high demands in IQ.

[buj]

yes! 24-90 is one of the best zoom ever made. (maybe the best)

buy it and get happy! - there nothing wrong with this lens

[jaapv]

Well, in my book the bulk is the thing that is wrong with it 😉

[frame-it]

1 hour ago, Domip said:

 A lens f3,5-4 is no problem as higher iso's are okay. But I want the accutance of a perfect lens.

If I start with a second hand SL with this 24-90, I'm into the SL-System, and when the future SL3 comes out, I'll have the high resolution with one lens.

My only question is this zoom perfect enough for high demands in IQ.

try and go to a store with an sdcard, try out the body+lens combination, take the pics home and check them, then decide.

 

[BernardC]

3 hours ago, Domip said:

With 'handy little package' I meant one body with one lens giving me the image quality (at least from the Q2), and zoom possibility.

It may not be the solution for you, but I use an fp with a Panasonic 20-60 lens for that type of photography. An fp-l would give you even more pixels, but I don't really need them in this application.

[Jean-Michel]

Question to Domip: how large are your prints? I have an SL2 and a 24-70 L plus a few M lenses, I even have an old Canon FD 70-210 and all let me print fine images at fairly large sizes. For ease of use and high quality one could be quite happy with an iPhone14 

[Ko.Fe.]

7 hours ago, Domip said:

....in the waiting for the Q3 to arrive....I want a small handy package that gives me ease of use and flexibility in my vacation.

 

I won't call something as 20+ cm long and two kilograms bricked as small and handy. 

To me it would be nothing but hustle, vacation or just fifteen minutes walk.

Kilogram+ lens which is trying to dive front down and camera edge bumping on my ribs while I walking.

Nothing handy at all. Been where and done with it.

Wait for Q3, check its crop modes.

[jaapv]

8 hours ago, Domip said:

My only question is this zoom perfect enough for high demands in IQ.

Just about any Leica lens, zoom or not, is that perfect. However the SL lenses are less size-restrained that for instance M ones, so you can expect industry-leading performance fromm any of them.

[LocalHero1953]

8 minutes ago, jaapv said:

Just about any Leica lens, zoom or not, is that perfect. However the SL lenses are less size-restrained that for instance M ones, so you can expect industry-leading performance fromm any of them.

And most photographers, and Leica owners, and myself, are incapable of taking advantage of the technical differences between one Leica lens and another. 

And all worthwhile photographs are only worth looking at because of the eye of the person holding the camera. 

So, long ago I decided to buy cameras and lenses on the basis of joy in use, not technical specs. That way I’m much more likely to use my photographer’s eye than nerd’s brain. 

[jaapv]

I looked up the OPs website, I think  he has a valid concern.

[LocalHero1953]

7 minutes ago, jaapv said:

I looked up the OPs website, I think  he has a valid concern.

FTAOD, my comments were about ‘most photographers’ not the OP, whose website I had not visited!

[Domip]

Gentlemen, it was just a question...! 😅

[akiralx2]

5 hours ago, Domip said:

Gentlemen, it was just a question...! 😅

It was, and hopefully I can respond from my own experience. I have an SL2-S and do not take it on vacation owing to weight and bulk, instead I take a Q (quite old now but still giving me great results) and a CL with the Leica 23mm and 55-135mm lenses, which collectively cover a range of focal lengths.  They also use the same batteries which is a bonus. 

I haven't calculated it but I suspect the package weight might be similar to an SL2 + 24-90.  I have no complaints relating to image quality from both cameras.

I was surprised when you said an M camera was not manual enough (apologies if I am paraphrasing/misunderstanding) as it must be the most manual camera Leica produce?

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[Domip]

3 hours ago, akiralx2 said:

It was, and hopefully I can respond from my own experience. I have an SL2-S and do not take it on vacation owing to weight and bulk, instead I take a Q (quite old now but still giving me great results) and a CL with the Leica 23mm and 55-135mm lenses, which collectively cover a range of focal lengths.  They also use the same batteries which is a bonus. 

I haven't calculated it but I suspect the package weight might be similar to an SL2 + 24-90.  I have no complaints relating to image quality from both cameras.

I was surprised when you said an M camera was not manual enough (apologies if I am paraphrasing/misunderstanding) as it must be the most manual camera Leica produce?

I was saying: ... an M is not an option as it is manual and not my thing.

Sorry if I was not clear.