sRGB only?...... Really?

[Likaleica]

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My interest in a Q3 was recently piqued, but it seems from the spec sheet and the manual that sRGB is the only color space offered.  

This seems crazy.  No professional color space options?  Is this a camera for electronic use only?  

[frankchn]

That only affects JPEGs straight out of camera, and if you are uploading images straight out of camera, then sRGB is better anyway. Importing wide gamut JPEGs into apps that can't handle non-sRGB color spaces will just result in very dull colors. If you shoot RAW then the color space setting on camera has no effect.

For what it's worth the M11 doesn't offer an AdobeRGB setting for its JPEGs either.

[frame-it]

46 minutes ago, frankchn said:

If you shoot RAW then the color space setting on camera has no effect.

 

no effect on the RAW files, but will show a difference in the display histogram which can be useful in certain situations especially multi camera setups

[Likaleica]

Ok, thanks.  My older cameras give options, but I don't really care about JPG anyway.

[01af]

vor 10 Stunden schrieb Likaleica:

My interest in a Q3 was recently piqued, but it seems from the spec sheet and the manual that sRGB is the only color space offered. This seems crazy.

That's not crazy but makes perfect sense.

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vor 8 Stunden schrieb Likaleica:

My older cameras give options, but I don't really care about JPEG anyway.

That means you neither care about in-camera colour space options. So why the fuss?

[TDE-Photo]

vor 10 Stunden schrieb Likaleica:

My interest in a Q3 was recently piqued, but it seems from the spec sheet and the manual that sRGB is the only color space offered.  

This seems crazy.  No professional color space options?  Is this a camera for electronic use only?  

a raw format does not have any color space. you can select

[Likaleica]

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5 hours ago, 01af said:

That's not crazy but makes perfect sense.

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That means you neither care about in-camera colour space options. So why the fuss?

No fuss. Just a question. 

[thighslapper]

Virtually everything is displayed or printed from sRGB and the only advantage of Adobe RGB is if you are going to process JPG's where you have marginally wider colour gamut to work with as a starting point. 

It's all a fuss about nothing in reality. 

Colour space and colour management is probably the most misunderstood aspect of digital photography and even I get quite baffled at times. 

[Likaleica]

The reason I posted the original question is that the Q2 data sheet shows sRGB and Adobe RGB, whereas the Q3 data sheet shows only sRGB.

For some reason I interpreted that to mean that the software was limiting the color space altogether to sRGB.  Glad to have the reassurance!

[01af]

vor 8 Stunden schrieb Likaleica:

I interpreted that to mean that the software was limiting the color space altogether to sRGB.

Your interpretation is correct—albeit for in-camera JPEG files only.

It doesn't make sense to create JPEG files in-camera using a colour space other than sRGB. Every couple of weeks the question comes up, sRGB or Adobe RGB? And the answer always is, use sRGB! And then there's always some chaps who don't understand and disagree, so always the same discussions unfold. It's a smart move by Leica Camera to scrap the colour space options in the camera menu and use sRGB only.

DNG files, or raw files in general, don't get their colour space assigned by the camera but later at raw processing time. There, the list of options is much longer than just Adobe RGB and sRGB so you can choose whatever fits your current intents and purposes—and change it anytime with no image quality loss, to match other intents and purposes.

[Qwertynm]

vor 1 Stunde schrieb 01af:

DNG files, or raw files in general, don't get their colour space assigned by the camera but later at raw processing time.

Canon has its own raw format: CR3. You can choose in camera what color space you want to shoot and the file names will be different from sRGB to Adobe RGB. If that is just the way of the camera telling the raw converter what color space to use or if it's limiting the color space at capture I don't know. I guess if you're not involved in the whole process of shooting to printing then it's probably save to say to just use the sRGB color space. Would you agree? 

[01af]

vor 47 Minuten schrieb Qwertynm:

... that is just the way of the camera telling the raw converter what color space to use ...

Yes. You can change it later in the raw processor. It's comparable to the Leica Q cropping a DNG file to 35 or 50 mm equivalent: it's just metadata added to the DNG file and can be changed anytime.

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vor 47 Minuten schrieb Qwertynm:

... it's limiting the color space at capture ...

No.

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vor 47 Minuten schrieb Qwertynm:

I guess if you're not involved in the whole process of shooting to printing then it's probably safe to say to just use the sRGB color space. Would you agree? 

Yes.

[SrMi]

20 hours ago, Qwertynm said:

Canon has its own raw format: CR3. You can choose in camera what color space you want to shoot and the file names will be different from sRGB to Adobe RGB. If that is just the way of the camera telling the raw converter what color space to use or if it's limiting the color space at capture I don't know. I guess if you're not involved in the whole process of shooting to printing then it's probably save to say to just use the sRGB color space. Would you agree? 

Lightroom uses ProPhoto RGB, regardless of the color space specified in the original raw. Adobe Camera Raw may assign Adobe RGB or sRGB, but you should override to use a wider color space.