clasami Posted August 23, 2023 Share #1 Â Posted August 23, 2023 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Just received my Q3. Wonderful camera. But what I observed first thing was a less sharp image in MF mode in the EVF (3x) compared to the Q2. I hope that can be fixed by FW update cause the crisp EVF image was a major part of the manual focus experience before. P.S. EVF is at 60Hz. 120Hz is even worse Edited August 23, 2023 by clasami Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Le Chef Posted August 23, 2023 Share #2  Posted August 23, 2023 Did you adjust the focus within the EVF before using it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clasami Posted August 23, 2023 Author Share #3 Â Posted August 23, 2023 Of course Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted August 23, 2023 Share #4  Posted August 23, 2023 4 hours ago, Le Chef said: Did you adjust the focus within the EVF before using it? You probably meant diopter with the diopter wheel. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clasami Posted August 23, 2023 Author Share #5 Â Posted August 23, 2023 vor 16 Minuten schrieb SrMi: You probably meant diopter with the diopter wheel. Yes, of course the EVF is adjusted to my eye sight. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted August 23, 2023 Share #6 Â Posted August 23, 2023 Q3's EVF has a higher resolution than Q2's EVF. Just speculating: the higher resolution image may be perceived as less sharp. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chef Posted August 23, 2023 Share #7 Â Posted August 23, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) Is it only less sharp in MF, or also soft in Autofocus? Are you using any of the focusing aids, like peaking or magnification to help you in MF? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clasami Posted August 24, 2023 Author Share #8 Â Posted August 24, 2023 It is less sharp at 3x magnifiction. Yes, Focus Peaking. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clasami Posted August 24, 2023 Author Share #9  Posted August 24, 2023 vor 6 Stunden schrieb SrMi: Q3's EVF has a higher resolution than Q2's EVF. Just speculating: the higher resolution image may be perceived as less sharp. Yes, I think that could be the cause. I had a "shimmering" issue with the Sony a7r2 when it came out. Made MF with legacy lenses unpleasant. Hope Leica can improve the sharpness. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chef Posted August 24, 2023 Share #10 Â Posted August 24, 2023 Do the images turn our sharp on your computer screen? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clasami Posted August 24, 2023 Author Share #11 Â Posted August 24, 2023 Yes, they do. It about using MF, not the output. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted August 24, 2023 Share #12 Â Posted August 24, 2023 If you do not care about JPEG output, have you tried increasing JPEG sharpness? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clasami Posted August 24, 2023 Author Share #13 Â Posted August 24, 2023 vor 6 Minuten schrieb SrMi: If you do not care about JPEG output, have you tried increasing JPEG sharpness? Interesting idea. But I don't see a difference between Sharpness at 0 and +2 in the EVF when focussing at 3x. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MindsEye Posted August 24, 2023 Share #14  Posted August 24, 2023 On 8/23/2023 at 6:25 AM, clasami said: Just received my Q3. Wonderful camera. But what I observed first thing was a less sharp image in MF mode in the EVF (3x) compared to the Q2. I hope that can be fixed by FW update cause the crisp EVF image was a major part of the manual focus experience before. P.S. EVF is at 60Hz. 120Hz is even worse Hi, I am not seeing the issues you describe with manual focus either at normal viewing or 3X. When you say "less sharp" do you see blurriness along edges? Or pixelation? Lack of contrast? I don't have a Q2 for comparison. I own Fujifilm X-T5 bodies and until recently Sony a7R III bodies. My Q3 is better than those. I have my thumbwheel button set for magnification so I can switch quickly when using manual focus. Obviously the peaking will mess with your perception of sharpness but I assume you've tried with and without. Perceived sharpness is of course somewhat subjective. Do you know anyone with a Q3 to compare yours or perhaps a nearby Leica dealer with one? Keep us posted if you learn anything new such as firmware or something with your particular camera. I've found using MF on the Q3 to be enjoyable and hope you do too, ultimately- I'll make sure not to look at a Q2 😃 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clasami Posted August 24, 2023 Author Share #15  Posted August 24, 2023 vor 18 Minuten schrieb MindsEye: Hi, I am not seeing the issues you describe with manual focus either at normal viewing or 3X. When you say "less sharp" do you see blurriness along edges? Or pixelation? Lack of contrast? I don't have a Q2 for comparison. I own Fujifilm X-T5 bodies and until recently Sony a7R III bodies. My Q3 is better than those. I have my thumbwheel button set for magnification so I can switch quickly when using manual focus. Obviously the peaking will mess with your perception of sharpness but I assume you've tried with and without. Perceived sharpness is of course somewhat subjective. Do you know anyone with a Q3 to compare yours or perhaps a nearby Leica dealer with one? Keep us posted if you learn anything new such as firmware or something with your particular camera. I've found using MF on the Q3 to be enjoyable and hope you do too, ultimately- I'll make sure not to look at a Q2 😃 No peaking. Less contrasty and some shimmering. It is easier to judge perfect focus on the Q2 for me. My Sony a7IV (@5.5x) and a7r3 (@6.2x) are like the Q2, the X-T2 is about the same as the Q3. Given the wonderful EVF and the totally sharp image it shows in playback mode, it should be able to do better. Already sent an e-mail to Leica. It is not a killer, but I would enjoy MF more if the image @3x times magnification would be more acute. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisGA Posted August 24, 2023 Share #16  Posted August 24, 2023 vor 29 Minuten schrieb MindsEye: HI don't have a Q2 for comparison. I own Fujifilm X-T5 bodies and until recently Sony a7R III bodies. My Q3 is better than those. So the typical Leica-Man is spoiled…..😂😂😂😉 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clasami Posted August 24, 2023 Author Share #17  Posted August 24, 2023 vor 17 Minuten schrieb ChrisGA: So the typical Leica-Man is spoiled…..😂😂😂😉 Guess, I am. Manual focus has a high priority for me. Using MF with the Q2 was very satisfying. It is less so with the Q3 (albeit not much worse). When the Soyn a7r2 came out, I wanted to use legacy lenses in MF with it - like on the original a7. it was a lot worse than the a7 at the first magnification. Sold the a7r2 because of that.  Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisGA Posted August 24, 2023 Share #18  Posted August 24, 2023 vor 28 Minuten schrieb clasami: Guess, I am. Manual focus has a high priority for me. Using MF with the Q2 was very satisfying. It is less so with the Q3 (albeit not much worse). When the Soyn a7r2 came out, I wanted to use legacy lenses in MF with it - like on the original a7. it was a lot worse than the a7 at the first magnification. Sold the a7r2 because of that.  I am also spoiled… Used Canon 6D and Fuji XT3 before my colleague borrowed the Q1 to me for two days. I thought the EVF is a new wonderland…..😂😂😂 And now there is some flimmering (😢😉) here and there in the Q3…witch should be fixed in a few weeks….  1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MindsEye Posted August 25, 2023 Share #19 Â Posted August 25, 2023 22 hours ago, clasami said: No peaking. Less contrasty and some shimmering. It is easier to judge perfect focus on the Q2 for me. My Sony a7IV (@5.5x) and a7r3 (@6.2x) are like the Q2, the X-T2 is about the same as the Q3. Given the wonderful EVF and the totally sharp image it shows in playback mode, it should be able to do better. Already sent an e-mail to Leica. It is not a killer, but I would enjoy MF more if the image @3x times magnification would be more acute. Good information. I'm going to pay more attention when using the magnification. I wonder if all of them are this way. I still have the reported playback issues and Leica did not address this in the last firmware update. Let's hope Leica comes up with a firmware fix sooner than later and fix both of these! Â Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted August 25, 2023 Share #20  Posted August 25, 2023 Are you sure it's not down to the EVF being less contrasty than the Q2 one ? Perceived sharpness is a combination of resolution and contrast. Without both cameras to compare side by side it's hard to comment on what's going on here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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