Chaim Posted August 14, 2023 Share #1 Posted August 14, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) I tried to do a comparison between the Q3 and my trusted monochrome, first edition. Surprisingly, I found the mono chrome images to be comparatively sharp, or even sharper in some cases. Is this possible? I used the Q3 at 50 ISO, 60 MB, lens not wide open. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 14, 2023 Posted August 14, 2023 Hi Chaim, Take a look here Leica q3 vs ccd monochrome. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
CalStanford Posted August 14, 2023 Share #2 Posted August 14, 2023 Please read up on how Bayer filters work: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayer_filter That'll show you that 47 real megapixels in black and white are higher resolution than 60 megapixel in bayer colour 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 14, 2023 Share #3 Posted August 14, 2023 No it is not surprising. Totally incomparable cameras. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaim Posted August 14, 2023 Author Share #4 Posted August 14, 2023 Thanks. Yes I'm familiar with bayer vs monochrome sensor... But I'm talking of the first monochrome, 18 mp, a camera of 10 years ago. I was expecting the Q3 much better than my old camera even for BW. (But yes it is MUCH better for colour!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalStanford Posted August 14, 2023 Share #5 Posted August 14, 2023 Apologies. For some reason I associated monochrome with the Q2M. My bad. In certain instances an 18MP real megapixels COULD indeed feel sharper than 60MP Bayer depending on the scene and how demosaicing has been done in this particular case. But I'd say that's rare. Would be nice if you could take some pictures of a scene with both cameras and let us compare. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaim Posted August 14, 2023 Author Share #6 Posted August 14, 2023 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/380888-leica-q3-vs-ccd-monochrome/?do=findComment&comment=4835255'>More sharing options...
Chaim Posted August 14, 2023 Author Share #7 Posted August 14, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/380888-leica-q3-vs-ccd-monochrome/?do=findComment&comment=4835256'>More sharing options...
Chaim Posted August 14, 2023 Author Share #8 Posted August 14, 2023 But there is a file limit so this is a reduced jpeg... I don't know how good can be the comparison... Anyway here they are... Cropping only of bottom and top part to obtain a 6:12 ratio, same in both. Thanks! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaim Posted August 14, 2023 Author Share #9 Posted August 14, 2023 PS: Apart from applying a curve to obtain similar tonality in both, I did not do much else to the pictures, and I worked in Lightroom on DNG files. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beewee Posted August 15, 2023 Share #10 Posted August 15, 2023 Top image has more shadow detail and dynamic range. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaim Posted August 15, 2023 Author Share #11 Posted August 15, 2023 How do you say this? Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaim Posted August 15, 2023 Author Share #12 Posted August 15, 2023 Do you mean this part of the image? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/380888-leica-q3-vs-ccd-monochrome/?do=findComment&comment=4835990'>More sharing options...
mhasman Posted August 16, 2023 Share #13 Posted August 16, 2023 Were those two shots really taken by Q3 and Q2M in same time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven_nl Posted August 16, 2023 Share #14 Posted August 16, 2023 The crops are different. Hard to judge. Top image seems to have more DR. More detail in the shadows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDE-Photo Posted August 16, 2023 Share #15 Posted August 16, 2023 the comparison with the reduced forum size does not make sense. what you can do ist, open both in PS, go at 100% and but both side by side and make a screenshot 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 16, 2023 Share #16 Posted August 16, 2023 On 8/15/2023 at 5:20 AM, beewee said: Top image has more shadow detail and dynamic range. But there is an overall exposure difference Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven_nl Posted August 16, 2023 Share #17 Posted August 16, 2023 7 minutes ago, jaapv said: But there is an overall exposure difference Yeah but that works in favour of the top image I think. The highlights (overal exposure?) are brighter in the lower image.(sky) The top image seems more balanced. Can not tell which is sharper. I do not know which image is which camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 16, 2023 Share #18 Posted August 16, 2023 The problem is that the M9M is designed with a dedicated tonal curve, inspired by Ilford Delta. The result is a rather flat image straight out of camera which must be developed in post to its full potential. That makes for a very difficult comparison. However, when handled properly, I prefer the results to any other camera. The present day Monochromes are close but cannot render the “organic” CCD character. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcgarner Posted August 16, 2023 Share #19 Posted August 16, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, jaapv said: The problem is that the M9M is designed with a dedicated tonal curve, inspired by Ilford Delta. The result is a rather flat image straight out of camera which must be developed in post to its full potential. That makes for a very difficult comparison. However, when handled properly, I prefer the results to any other camera. The present day Monochromes are close but cannot render the “organic” CCD character. Can you define "organic CCD character"? Sounds squishy to me. Is this something that's visible, and if so, please be specific. I'd love examples of images from the M9M, the Q2M and perhaps the Q3. Thanks. Edited August 16, 2023 by pcgarner Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 16, 2023 Share #20 Posted August 16, 2023 It is squishi. It is as intangible as the word rendering. It is visible but not measurable. And just my personal experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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