Can you help me to install Leica M9 profile on my computer, please?

[Shepherdphotographer]

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Good afternoon, I would like to install the Leica M9 color profile on my computer, but I am very incompetent about it and I still use an old version of Lightroom, Lightroom 3 and Windows 7 Could you help me, please? Thank you!

[frame-it]

 

 

[LocalHero1953]

You shouldn't need to install a special profile for the M9 - just make sure that you are using Adobe Standard as your colour profile. I used to use Lightroom 3 with the M9, so Adobe Standard (the term LR uses when it has the correct profile) should work. 

The answer these days with more recent versions of Lightroom 3 is to make sure you have the latest version of Adobe Camera Raw installed, which gives you all the camera profiles up to date. But I just can't remember if Adobe Camera Raw was in use with Lightroom 3, or whether the latest Adobe Camera Raw works with Lightroom 3.

As @frame-it notes, you may be dissatisfied with the M9 profile that Adobe provides. The answer then is to make your own dual-illumination profile and use that instead. But if you are not confident with such things I suggest you look first at the Adobe profile and see if you are happy with it.

[Anbaric]

I think for LR3 your choice is either the standard profile or the profile embedded in the DNG, unless you have some custom profile. You can't use the current (or any) version of ACR (raw processing is built-in), but LR3 is recent enough to support M9 files out of the box, so you shouldn't need to install anything else.

Edited May 18, 2023 by Anbaric

[jaapv]

My M9 files are just fine opening in ACR (updated a couple of weeks ago for PS 2023). It is a simple operation to install a custom profile using XRite. It should even be possible on an obsolete version of LR.

[Shepherdphotographer]

Thank you, but I maybe I didn't explain myself well, sorry...... I would like to transform the color profile of my photos from my Nikon D810 and Leica SL (TYP 601) into the profile with which they come out of the M9, i.e. transform the colors of the D810 and SL into those of the M9 with LR 3. Only LocalHero1953 has understood my problem.....

[LocalHero1953]

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4 minutes ago, Shepherdphotographer said:

Thank you, but I maybe I didn't explain myself well, sorry...... I would like to transform the color profile of my photos from my Nikon D810 and Leica SL (TYP 601) into the profile with which they come out of the M9, i.e. transform the colors of the D810 and SL into those of the M9 with LR 3. Only LocalHero1953 has understood my problem.....

Well, to be honest, that isn’t what I understood! And I have no idea how to transform SL and Nikon images to match M9 colours!

[Shepherdphotographer]

It is necessary to add the one of the M9, which I have, in XMP format to the presets stored in LR and then, after having opened the photos, apply this profile; my problem, however, is how to add this profile to LR: I've seen various tutorials and videos, but they are based on more recent LR versions, with windows and commands a bit compared to my version 3, or that are not there at all , therefore I find myself disoriented, being incompetent.

[Shepherdphotographer]

@ Anbaric

 

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Edited May 18, 2023 by Shepherdphotographer

[Anbaric]

43 minutes ago, Shepherdphotographer said:

It is necessary to add the one of the M9, which I have, in XMP format to the presets stored in LR and then, after having opened the photos, apply this profile; my problem, however, is how to add this profile to LR: I've seen various tutorials and videos, but they are based on more recent LR versions, with windows and commands a bit compared to my version 3, or that are not there at all , therefore I find myself disoriented, being incompetent.

Where does this profile come from, or is it one you created? I wouldn't expect an ordinary profile intended for use with the M9 to give you M9-like results if you just apply it to images from an SL or a Nikon. There are third party products like the Cobalt Image M9 emulation presets that claim to do what I think you want, but I don't know how good they are and they may only be compatible with more recent versions of LR (I don't think LR3 can load presets in XMP format at all). Do you have something like this?

Edited May 18, 2023 by Anbaric

[Shepherdphotographer]

Yes, I have, but I couldn't install on my version of LR...... Exactly! It isn't a Cobalt image profile......There are many kinds on the net.....

[jaapv]

If you want to match colours between cameras you will have to shoot a colour chart at the beginning of a shoot on both the cameras and create two profiles. If you  want to more or less match in general you will have to create two dual-illuminant profiles. It sounds far more complicated than it actually is.

XRite software will add the profiles automatically.

https://www.xrite.com/service-support/creating_dng_profiles_for_adobe_camera_raw

If you decide to upgrade your editing, both computer and software, it is even easier in ON1.

[frame-it]

4 hours ago, Shepherdphotographer said:

It is necessary to add the one of the M9, which I have, in XMP format to the presets stored in LR and then, after having opened the photos, apply this profile; my problem, however, is how to add this profile to LR: I've seen various tutorials and videos, but they are based on more recent LR versions, with windows and commands a bit compared to my version 3, or that are not there at all , therefore I find myself disoriented, being incompetent.

copy and paste the preset file into this location, then restart lightroom

Windows 7: C:\Users\[user name]\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\Lightroom\Develop Presets

 

[Shepherdphotographer]

Thank you, frame-it, I'll try as soon as possible!

[Shepherdphotographer]

@ frame-it

I just copied the files into the folder you indicated: there are two more subfolders, one for Lightroom presets, one for the default personal profiles: I copied the files to both and then started Lightroom. There are still no ones I copied.......

I noticed that all the default files already present in those two folders, which are, of course, exactly the ones I could choose in the LR development module, have the AdobeLightroom.Irtemplate extension in the folder: probably LR doesn't recognize, isn't able to read the XMP extension of my profiles...... If someone would be so kind as to help me, please....... Thank you. 

Edited May 19, 2023 by Shepherdphotographer

[Shepherdphotographer]

Perhaps the best system is to retouch each photo individually, without searching for or downloading a predefined photo profile, even if personal, trying, in my case, to get as close as possible to that of the M9, which I like very much......, also because each photo has different light conditions.......

[LocalHero1953]

12 minutes ago, Shepherdphotographer said:

Perhaps the best system is to retouch each photo individually, without searching for or downloading a predefined photo profile, even if personal, trying, in my case, to get as close as possible to that of the M9, which I like very much......, also because each photo has different light conditions.......

Or pick a 'generic' or typical photo from the camera you are trying to work with, and make your own colour adjustments: overall saturation, tone curves, individual colour hue/saturation/luminance sliders, and save that as a preset.

[250swb]

22 minutes ago, Shepherdphotographer said:

Perhaps the best system is to retouch each photo individually, without searching for or downloading a predefined photo profile, even if personal, trying, in my case, to get as close as possible to that of the M9, which I like very much......, also because each photo has different light conditions.......

That would be my solution as even a software processing solution isn't going to truly mimic what the sensor 'saw' and how it responded. The filmic quality of the M9 CCD sensor won't translate easily to an SL CMOS sensors way of working. In doing it by eye you could perhaps get close by comparing the visual clues, micro contrast, colour, DR, etc. and then create a Lightroom profile which would allow you to do quicker final touches to the images in Lightroom. But practice in understanding what the visual differences are would make post processing much easier anyway, it is how people can develop an identifiable personal style but still use ten different cameras interchangeably. So possibly worth having two similar images from different cameras side by side on the monitor and push the sliders around until you see a connection forming. 

In essence I think trying to do it with the camera profile, if it's even possible, is only going to get you to the same place and with the same problems as you get with things like film emulation pre-sets in programmes such as Nik Suite, an SL image given a Tri-X pre-set will look different from one that comes from an M9, so they are merely starting points and not complete solutions.

Edited May 19, 2023 by 250swb

[Shepherdphotographer]

@ LocalHero1953

Yes, I have done, but I have understood that it is very difficult to create a universal preset, so you have to change something in every one photo.....

Edited May 19, 2023 by Shepherdphotographer

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[Shepherdphotographer]

@ 250swb:

Thanks for the advice!!  I noticed, trying to retouch several photos of me next to a photo whose colors I liked: my photos were of different types;  comparing, in the end, the presets memorized for each of them, I realized that these presets have very similar values for some parameters, so I found "my style" as the final result, i.e. what you said, basically, so I tried to create a starting "standard preset" to always apply, to which, however, for each photo, I will have to make changes.....