otto.f Posted April 19 Share #21 Posted April 19 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 19 hours ago, abb-strack said: That said, the big shutter dial on the TTL and the .85 viewfinder appeal to me quite a bit... Didn’t you notice that the direction of aperture and shutter are the same, and if I remember well, that the TTL is the first film M where this is the case. So for me, not only the bigger shutter dial but also the same direction for stopping down or opening up is very important. I think you will regret fiddling with the smaller shutter dial when you swap your TTL for a new M6. I found the 0.85 also very wellcome because the Summilux75 is my favorite lens and the 0.85 really helps to prevent focus faults. PS. I didn’t read all the posts, just want to give my warning Edited April 19 by otto.f Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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madNbad Posted April 19 Share #22 Posted April 19 30 minutes ago, abb-strack said: appreciate all the replies everyone - thanks for indulging a newbie (lurker) on this. Definitely have a lot to consider. The new M6 arrives today (if I hadn't made clear, I pulled the trigger on the purchase just because I had to make a decision in the moment step out of the queue...but the major question now becomes do I keep it. At a minimum definitely taking away that it makes sense to pay a visit to the store and probe deeper on what servicing they do for used Leica's ahead of putting them up for sale. Congratulations! Huss’ simple test is using a fresh roll of film, advance it to the end then check the backing side for a scratch. Hopefully, Leica has made the correction but it doesn’t hurt to check. Most likely the shop will repair the spring around the take up. Being a .85 someone will want it. Best of luck with the new M6! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted April 19 Share #23 Posted April 19 Also... if the new M6 is working correctly, but you decide not to keep it, as demand is high for it at the moment you may be able to make a couple of hundred $$ profit selling it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abb-strack Posted April 19 Author Share #24 Posted April 19 3 hours ago, Huss said: Also... if the new M6 is working correctly, but you decide not to keep it, as demand is high for it at the moment you may be able to make a couple of hundred $$ profit selling it. haha - I suspect this statement was a lot more true about 2 hours ago, right before they started showing up on the Leica USA site Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted April 19 Share #25 Posted April 19 7 hours ago, abb-strack said: My limited exposure to the new M6 finder showed it to be a bit more contrasty than the TTL at least at first glance, but would need to do a real side by side to confirm. Can definitely see how that would be an advantage. What the finder size on the MP? It’s the same as the new M6 , 0.72. I think it’s generally believed that nee m6 and mp are the same camera behind the different housing. Yes definitely try them side by side - I am upgrading one of my m6 classic to the MP finder on account of much preferring it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted April 20 Share #26 Posted April 20 7 hours ago, abb-strack said: haha - I suspect this statement was a lot more true about 2 hours ago, right before they started showing up on the Leica USA site None left now. I bought the last one or the only one. Leica usually tosses out a few in batches but only every few months. abb-strack and Huss 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted April 20 Share #27 Posted April 20 Advertisement (gone after registration) 22 hours ago, abb-strack said: haha - I suspect this statement was a lot more true about 2 hours ago, right before they started showing up on the Leica USA site Sold out already! So that comment stands. hdmesa and abb-strack 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikep996 Posted April 21 Share #28 Posted April 21 I don't see any reason to replace a working original M6 or M6 TTL with a new M6. Yes, the argument about NEW parts is certainly reasonable BUT M6's don't have a reputation for failing. Heck, I have a 1984 M6 that still works perfectly after all these years; never been CLA d. The M6/M6TTL shutter dial difference is a total non-issue to me but other folks feel differently... OTOH, if I did not have an M6 (or M6TTL) and wanted an M6, I'd rather buy a new one than a used Ebay version. In that situation I might consider a used with some sort of warranty from a known good Leica dealer Abbstrack and Huss 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted April 21 Share #29 Posted April 21 19 hours ago, Huss said: Sold out already! So that comment stands. Further info from calling to check on my order: they had only received two M6 units. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootinhd Posted April 21 Share #30 Posted April 21 42 minutes ago, hdmesa said: Further info from calling to check on my order: they had only received two M6 units. Lol. I guess we both lucked out then! I bought mine right before I posted that they were available. Thought they had quite a few in stock with how long it was up for sale hdmesa 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted April 21 Share #31 Posted April 21 8 hours ago, Mikep996 said: I don't see any reason to replace a working original M6 or M6 TTL with a new M6. Yes, the argument about NEW parts is certainly reasonable BUT M6's don't have a reputation for failing. Heck, I have a 1984 M6 that still works perfectly after all these years; never been CLA d. The M6/M6TTL shutter dial difference is a total non-issue to me but other folks feel differently... OTOH, if I did not have an M6 (or M6TTL) and wanted an M6, I'd rather buy a new one than a used Ebay version. In that situation I might consider a used with some sort of warranty from a known good Leica dealer I've briefly used the old M6, and have the new one. If I had the old one and it worked great, then I wouldn't get the new one. I would get the VF upgraded to the non flaring patch though (if it hadn't already been done). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abb-strack Posted April 21 Author Share #32 Posted April 21 (edited) 9 hours ago, Mikep996 said: I don't see any reason to replace a working original M6 or M6 TTL with a new M6. Yes, the argument about NEW parts is certainly reasonable BUT M6's don't have a reputation for failing. Heck, I have a 1984 M6 that still works perfectly after all these years; never been CLA d. The M6/M6TTL shutter dial difference is a total non-issue to me but other folks feel differently... OTOH, if I did not have an M6 (or M6TTL) and wanted an M6, I'd rather buy a new one than a used Ebay version. In that situation I might consider a used with some sort of warranty from a known good Leica dealer Solid rationale. By now I’m convinced the TTL will be fine when I eventually get it back, and there will still be at least 7 months on the warranty (or 8 if I can convince them to tack on another month to cover the month I’m without). Right now this is mostly a game of patience. 1 hour ago, Huss said: I've briefly used the old M6, and have the new one. If I had the old one and it worked great, then I wouldn't get the new one. I would get the VF upgraded to the non flaring patch though (if it hadn't already been done). Yup,…though what I’m learning now is that with these cameras, you have to be prepared to be without them for an extended period should anything go wrong. With that in mind, the latest logic has me leaning towards keeping both 😜. In my mind i’m thinking I can keep a 35 on one, a 50 on the other, and alternate between BW and color whenever I choose. I do wish there was a bit more variance here tho, i.e. an M5 and an M6 to make this easier to justify. For now the brand new M6 sits unopened in a box here while I decide. I’m thinking tho that i’d be remiss if I rob myself of the pleasure of experiencing opening up my very own brand new, untouched, unshot M6 after coveting owning one for at least 10-15 years. This would also allow me to pass one down to each of my now toddler-age daughters at some point many many years from now. Funny what the mind can rationalize. Does seem to be somewhat serendipitous that when my new-to-me TTL goes down my preorder from October finally comes in if you believe in the universe conspiring 🤔😂. Edited April 21 by abb-strack grahamc 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
newtoleica Posted April 21 Share #33 Posted April 21 When I used to shoot colour as well as B&W film I always used a pair of the same body (Olympus OM4Ti at that time) so there’s a rationale for both… abb-strack 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted April 22 Share #34 Posted April 22 (edited) 5 hours ago, abb-strack said: Solid rationale. By now I’m convinced the TTL will be fine when I eventually get it back, and there will still be at least 7 months on the warranty (or 8 if I can convince them to tack on another month to cover the month I’m without). Right now this is mostly a game of patience. Yup,…though what I’m learning now is that with these cameras, you have to be prepared to be without them for an extended period should anything go wrong. With that in mind, the latest logic has me leaning towards keeping both 😜. In my mind i’m thinking I can keep a 35 on one, a 50 on the other, and alternate between BW and color whenever I choose. I do wish there was a bit more variance here tho, i.e. an M5 and an M6 to make this easier to justify. For now the brand new M6 sits unopened in a box here while I decide. I’m thinking tho that i’d be remiss if I rob myself of the pleasure of experiencing opening up my very own brand new, untouched, unshot M6 after coveting owning one for at least 10-15 years. This would also allow me to pass one down to each of my now toddler-age daughters at some point many many years from now. Funny what the mind can rationalize. Does seem to be somewhat serendipitous that when my new-to-me TTL goes down my preorder from October finally comes in if you believe in the universe conspiring 🤔😂. Congratulations ! Unless you are keeping it unopened with the intention to return to Leica, opening the box and checking out the M6 won’t hurt its resale potential as they are hard to get hold of right now. I know I’m sounding like a broken record but, if you can, please check the viewfinders and rangefinder patch contrast side by side as you may find the MP (in new M6) one to be the biggest practical difference in these cameras 😁 Edited April 22 by grahamc Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abb-strack Posted April 22 Author Share #35 Posted April 22 9 minutes ago, grahamc said: Congratulations ! Unless you are keeping it unopened with the intention to return to Leica, opening the box and checking out the M6 won’t hurt its resale potential as they are hard to get hold of right now. I know I’m sounding like a broken record but, if you can, please check the viewfinders and rangefinder patch contrast side by side as you may find the MP (in new M6) one to be the biggest practical difference in these cameras 😁 Thanks! Will do, but wont be able to do so until the TTL is returned from repair. grahamc 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abb-strack Posted June 1 Author Share #36 Posted June 1 On 4/21/2023 at 5:26 PM, grahamc said: Congratulations ! Unless you are keeping it unopened with the intention to return to Leica, opening the box and checking out the M6 won’t hurt its resale potential as they are hard to get hold of right now. I know I’m sounding like a broken record but, if you can, please check the viewfinders and rangefinder patch contrast side by side as you may find the MP (in new M6) one to be the biggest practical difference in these cameras 😁 Interestingly seems like the patch is not just more contrasty on the new M6, but also the white rectangle appears to be more refined, with rounded corners as opposed to the sharp 90 degree corners of the older TTL. (needless to say I kept both and plan to ensure they both see plenty of action). No way I could resist opening my very own brand new M6, or contemplate giving up the TTL which has now come back to me in good working order. grahamc 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted June 1 Share #37 Posted June 1 6 hours ago, abb-strack said: Interestingly seems like the patch is not just more contrasty on the new M6, but also the white rectangle appears to be more refined, with rounded corners as opposed to the sharp 90 degree corners of the older TTL. (needless to say I kept both and plan to ensure they both see plenty of action). No way I could resist opening my very own brand new M6, or contemplate giving up the TTL which has now come back to me in good working order. Good stuff ... Yes although my MP is my favourite to use, I cannot sell the TTL. And I use the M6 TTL for TTL flash Great to hear you are enjoying them and the M6 is working Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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