Guest stnami Posted November 3, 2007 Share #1 Â Posted November 3, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Unfortunatly too often the quest for superior image quality usually equates to nice, safe and very ordinary images...............the soul is left behind; Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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carstenw Posted November 3, 2007 Share #2 Â Posted November 3, 2007 Unfortunatly too often the quest for superior image quality usually equates to nice, safe and very ordinary images...............the soul is left behind; Â I don't know about others, but I often have the feeling that if there are specific problems with my equipment which I have not made my peace with, I cannot get my heart into it. Once I have equipment which I like and whose quality level meets my hopes, I find it much easier to just let go and shoot with the heart. Unfortunately work is quite busy at the moment, so I don't have the time and mental space I did a couple of months ago, but it will come back again. Â By the way, although you didn't say so, I presume you are not suggesting that people use crap quality equipment, because this will make better photos? The whole Holga/Diana movement baffles me. It should be possible to use any camera to get such results, with a sufficiently old lens, not just plastic cameras? Perhaps it is too hard to shut off the mind about "quality" when the equipment is top-notch? Â Carsten Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoskeptic Posted November 3, 2007 Share #3 Â Posted November 3, 2007 Carsten, you have reached into my "photograhic soul" with those first paragraph comments. Thank you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 3, 2007 Share #4 Â Posted November 3, 2007 Unfortunatly too often the quest for superior image quality usually equates to nice, safe and very ordinary images...............the soul is left behind; True for some newbies and sharpness maniacs i guess but it's not because masterwoks can be made with bad tools that good ones have to be avoided IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
popum Posted November 3, 2007 Share #5 Â Posted November 3, 2007 I think imants is being his normal cryptic self. I find much to agree with in his short statement. Â One simple point... I participate in several camera clubs that have monthly judgings. It is invariable the "perfect images", those that are "tack" sharp, don't have the subject centered, have level horizons, are of pretty flowers or cute animals, that win. There is little consideration given to the soul of the photographer that is reflected in his/her composition. Does the picture enhance our understanding of anything or does it reach our emotions. These are the important things in photography and are often lost in search of "perfect image quality". Â Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted November 3, 2007 Share #6 Â Posted November 3, 2007 Unfortunatly too often the quest for superior image quality usually equates to nice, safe and very ordinary images...............the soul is left behind; Â Whoa. What a deep thought. I've never read something like this on the Internet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted November 3, 2007 Share #7 Â Posted November 3, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Never thought a this thread would amount to much here, once one is taken out of the comfort zone of using the camera for cameras sake there is not much to say b y most. Â Pascal it's nice to see that you are capable of reading something other than a instruction book........ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokysun Posted November 3, 2007 Share #8  Posted November 3, 2007 oddly, the answer may lie in 'what' you want to shoot. a passion for a certain subject/expression. sam abell uses simple equipment because 'he's looking for a particular kind of shot.' man ray said, 'i want to make photographs that don't look like photographs." never thought it would happen, but lately pouring over landscape books, inspired by the landscapes of gustav klimt. walking in nature thrilled me as a kid and it's beginning to do so again. that said, i'm all for transforming your images once you have them in the can.  park two blocks away: along the creek Photo Gallery by wayne pease at pbase.com  living on a mountaintop: lookout summer diary 2007 (or figures in the carpet) Photo Gallery by wayne pease at pbase.com  our big fire: moonlight fire, sept. 3-12, 2007 Photo Gallery by wayne pease at pbase.com  ps. got a canon xti and shooting everything with confirmation adapter and r lenses. very compact. on the other hand, there's a certain lust for large format results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted November 3, 2007 Share #9 Â Posted November 3, 2007 Lately I have scoured the second hand shops for old books on B&W printing and seeing what sensabilities can be applied to digital. What it does is place the importance of the DSLR into the background as all that is needed is a good sensor and lens....the rest is personal choice. Interesting it also undermines the use of the small sensor camera as a starting point for B&W digitally printed images Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted November 3, 2007 Share #10 Â Posted November 3, 2007 oddly, the answer may lie in 'what' you want to shoot... or alternativly for many "do you know how to shoot"Â Â Wayne what did you shoot the creek ones on.............and the post processing if any was?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EH21 Posted November 4, 2007 Share #11 Â Posted November 4, 2007 Certainly for the people whose focus is gear and technical details, then they make their own music with exacting sharpness of trains and things, but for those whose goal is their best art, I think they need to at least know the capabilities of their tools. You can't tell me that for example Leonardo or Rembrandt didn't care about different types of paint or brushes. That said, I think your point is valid for most shooters - because most are not artists and in fact I'll venture to say most of what people label as art is souless safe images that you mention. But at the same time, I'm pretty sick of looking at pictures of meat, wierd soft images of some thing or person in agony that is labeled as art. Dead things, sex, and other shock items are the palette of really overdone hackneyed art. Stnami, I don't think you can get away with it any more than someone who takes a picture of a cat, a sunset or a duck and call it art. All have been done in equal amounts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEd Posted November 4, 2007 Share #12 Â Posted November 4, 2007 Unfortunatly too often the quest for superior image quality usually equates to nice, safe and very ordinary images...............the soul is left behind; Â Â ...it would be the difference between shots that are like candy to your eyes and the shots that speak to you... Â Â no? yes, no, maybe? Â Â Â . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEd Posted November 4, 2007 Share #13 Â Posted November 4, 2007 ...and nowadays we see too many "candy to your eyes" photographs everywhere. Â Â Â . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted November 4, 2007 Share #14  Posted November 4, 2007 Eric this is not about the type of work it is about in the quest for a superior image quality wise content and structure have become secondary.....using a camera for cameras sake and going beyond mere illustration. I am writing about photographs not the stuff I do,(using photography as one of the elements  ).Photography as a craft................ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted November 4, 2007 Share #15 Â Posted November 4, 2007 yea the lolly shops are on line, most forums suffer badly, well they took over from the local photographic societies........................ Take a good look at people who post images regulary, over a period of a year there are leaps and bounds technically but the freshness and vitality is missing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEd Posted November 4, 2007 Share #16  Posted November 4, 2007 yea the lolly shops are on line, most forums suffer badly, well they took over from the local photographic societies........................Take a good look at people who post images regulary, over a period of a year there are leaps and bounds technically but the freshness and vitality is missing   You're 100% right...welcome to the new age/new world order of imagery...    . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EH21 Posted November 4, 2007 Share #17 Â Posted November 4, 2007 You can't blame the individuals - society is forcing blandness, middle of the road, etc. Political correctness and all of that, religious righteousness and fear control. It's making everyone bland and safe at least where I am in the US. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted November 4, 2007 Share #18 Â Posted November 4, 2007 ...................sounds like a cop out to me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EH21 Posted November 4, 2007 Share #19  Posted November 4, 2007 ...................sounds like a cop out to me  If you are referring to my post above, then No because because I do not fear my images have fallen into that trap. I am concerned that the world is spinning off into an uneducated, consumer market flock though. It's so much easier to do the safe thing because there are so many out there ready to hassle you if you stick your neck out.  A great photo artist I know went to the bank to deposit a check (in Texas) and was informed that the bank was closing his account and that he would have to bank elsewhere. Why? Because they saw his website and he had nude images on it. These were some very beautiful fine art nudes ... go figure.  Stnami, forget about online forums - most of the web is about information on what to buy anyway, or how to spend your money. Just go out to any hotel or public business, or museum. Check out what kind of stuff they have on the walls. Pretty bland crap if you ask me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted November 4, 2007 Share #20 Â Posted November 4, 2007 You can't blame the individuals -............. I am............they do have a choice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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