Einst_Stein Posted February 23, 2023 Share #1 Posted February 23, 2023 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Any experience with this seller? I cant find and reference, review or history. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited February 23, 2023 by Einst_Stein Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/368131-buying-s-adapter-from-rakionl/?do=findComment&comment=4697028'>More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 23, 2023 Posted February 23, 2023 Hi Einst_Stein, Take a look here buying S adapter from Rakionl. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Stuart Richardson Posted February 23, 2023 Share #2 Posted February 23, 2023 (edited) That site looks sketchy. They are selling a Q2 Monochrom for 1800 dollars, and a 24-90 SL lens for 1300....all the SL lens prices are sub 2000 dollars, which either suggests me that it is either a mistake, a scam and the lenses don't even exist, or the lenses are stolen. Wasn't Leica Store SF robbed a few months ago? Until I knew better, I would avoid it like the plague. What is interesting about it is that they do provide an address and a phone number. On google streetview it is a modest home in Florida...doesn't really look like a hub for trading Phase One and Leica... There are also a number of spelling mistakes and grammatical errors in the site text ("contact infos" etc) Edited February 23, 2023 by Stuart Richardson 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan.y Posted February 23, 2023 Share #3 Posted February 23, 2023 It's not a real seller. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 24, 2023 Share #4 Posted February 24, 2023 I must say I am a big fan of their Leica pricing structure. They probably took the survey posted here recently, concluded that it was all total BS, and adjusted the dollar amounts to taste. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted February 24, 2023 Author Share #5 Posted February 24, 2023 Actually their S adapter price (used) is not far from CAMERA WEST (LEICA San Francisco). I didn't check other item's price. It is a very new site (registered on 2023.2.20). Low review score is expected. But this makes it hard to judge their reputation. Just don't want to be the "early bird". 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1joel1 Posted February 24, 2023 Share #6 Posted February 24, 2023 Looks sketchy to me but go ahead and please report back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted February 24, 2023 Author Share #7 Posted February 24, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have ordered a low price item. Will see how it turn out. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted February 27, 2023 Author Share #8 Posted February 27, 2023 UPDATE: This site now is unavailable. I reported to my credit card company. The credit card company will give them 15 days to deliver the item. If failed, the credit card company will do something about it. Will see how it ends. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted February 28, 2023 Share #9 Posted February 28, 2023 You are surely a braver man than I, giving them your credit card... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted February 28, 2023 Author Share #10 Posted February 28, 2023 10 minutes ago, Stuart Richardson said: You are surely a braver man than I, giving them your credit card... I didn't worry that. The credit card company is usually very reliable in dealing with this situation. I had my credit card taken by pick-pocket during travel. That should be worse than giving my card number away, but the credit card company took care all my lose. I think this should be fine, as long as I take care the issue in the reasonable time. Anyway, I'll have to see how it ends. The credit card company is in charge of this issue, and is giving the other party 15 working days to deliver the item. I will report back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted February 28, 2023 Share #11 Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) I hope you are right and all is fine. But keep in mind that in addition to your credit card number, you also gave your name, address and email to either scammers or criminals, and indicated to them that you own expensive camera equipment. This is probably not the best thing to do in the future. I am not trying to berate you or anything, I just think this kind of experiment has its risks. Edited February 28, 2023 by Stuart Richardson 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted February 28, 2023 Author Share #12 Posted February 28, 2023 7 hours ago, Stuart Richardson said: I hope you are right and all is fine. But keep in mind that in addition to your credit card number, you also gave your name, address and email to either scammers or criminals, and indicated to them that you own expensive camera equipment. This is probably not the best thing to do in the future. I am not trying to berate you or anything, I just think this kind of experiment has its risks. Good point. Thanks. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 28, 2023 Share #13 Posted February 28, 2023 That is why you should always use a dropoff and a camouflaged email with an unknown shop. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted February 28, 2023 Author Share #14 Posted February 28, 2023 1 hour ago, jaapv said: That is why you should always use a dropoff. and a camouflaged email with an unknown shop. Wish everyone sees Stuart Richardson and your advice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter12 Posted March 1, 2023 Share #15 Posted March 1, 2023 On 2/28/2023 at 12:01 AM, Stuart Richardson said: I hope you are right and all is fine. But keep in mind that in addition to your credit card number, you also gave your name, address and email to either scammers or criminals, and indicated to them that you own expensive camera equipment. This is probably not the best thing to do in the future. I am not trying to berate you or anything, I just think this kind of experiment has its risks. Pretty paranoid. A thief halfway around the world is going come over to break in and steal your equipment? Gear that will sell for pennies on the black market, maybe a little bit more on steal bay? Of course, if you own high-end Leica equipment, you probably have other valuables to take. I'd build an underground bunker and get some expensive guard dogs. Can't trust security guards, they might be connected to some underworld gangs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 1, 2023 Share #16 Posted March 1, 2023 It does not have to be a physical break-in. There is such a thing a phishing. They'll have your credit card data as well. For all I know they'll have your habitual password too when you created an account. Don't laugh - a considerable number of people use one password for everything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter12 Posted March 1, 2023 Share #17 Posted March 1, 2023 3 hours ago, jaapv said: It does not have to be a physical break-in. There is such a thing a phishing. They'll have your credit card data as well. For all I know they'll have your habitual password too when you created an account. Don't laugh - a considerable number of people use one password for everything. Their mistake. But the original idea that you have given your address to buy a luxury item seems pretty paranoid. Need to change your billing address to somewhere that is not your residence (P.O. box, anyone?) and have those items shipped to the local FedEx or UPS Store. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted March 1, 2023 Share #18 Posted March 1, 2023 (edited) Ordering online from a normal store or even an individual is probably fine, but this was quite obviously a scam site, and giving all one’s info to it did not seem like a good idea to me. Less because of a break in than because of the digital crimes. Not just because of losing out on an order, but opening yourself to phishing, identity theft and simply just identifying yourself as someone who might be a mark for further scams. But I agree that the liklihood of all that is low. I just don’t think it is zero… Edited March 1, 2023 by Stuart Richardson 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted March 2, 2023 Author Share #19 Posted March 2, 2023 My bottom line is to give any honest newly registered store a chance. I am willing to take some risk, given that the credit card companies have reasonable protections. But I also appreciate the warnings I received. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmknoble Posted March 3, 2023 Share #20 Posted March 3, 2023 Interesting discussion. Hope the purchasing works out well. It is a shame that today emails get hacked, credit card numbers are easily stolen and we even have to think about worrying. I liked rotary dial telephones and knocking on my neighbors door to see if my friends could come and play. Much easier then. My wife had her CC number stolen and the ‘thieves’ created a fake driver’s license using our home address. It’s not that one item like a CC is taken, it’s that it’s really easy to figure out who you are and impersonate you. In reality, I feel more for the merchants that get taken advantage of. It won’t go away any time soon! PayPal is still a great way to go, as is Apple Pay IMHO. Love to hear how the purchase works out! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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