How can you appreciate 100MP without cropping?

[shanefking]

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35 minutes ago, pippy said:

Thank you, Einst_Stein, for the mention of Tech. Pan..

Pics on request......

Still; an absolutely phenomenal emulsion which could be employed to make truly massive and essentially 'grain-free' enlargements from 135 film...assuming everything goes to plan....

Philip.

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I would love to see what some of your work with that looked like, if its not too much trouble 

[pippy]

41 minutes ago, shanefking said:

I would love to see what some of your work with that looked like, if its not too much trouble 

It wouldn't be too much trouble at all but I have no idea how on Earth I can show you the extraordinary clarity of resolution possible with this film and this developer on-line. I don't have anything close to the equipment which would be neccessary to scan these negs which do them even the slightest amount of justice.

OTOH I can display plenty of examples of poor development-technique when using 2415............

Not sure where in the world you are based but if you are anywhere near London (UK) drop me a PM; I still have kept a couple of 20"x16" 'IQ experimental Only' prints made, purely out of curiosity, from (effectively) the same roughly half-frame section as mentioned in connection to the M Monochrom (horizontal from portrait) of a few of my old 35mm negs. made back in the day so if you are ever within striking-distance send me a PM!

Philip.

Edited February 22, 2023 by pippy

[shanefking]

1 hour ago, pippy said:

It wouldn't be too much trouble at all but I have no idea how on Earth I can show you the extraordinary clarity of resolution possible with this film and this developer on-line. I don't have anything close to the equipment which would be neccessary to scan these negs which do them even the slightest amount of justice.

OTOH I can display plenty of examples of poor development-technique when using 2415............

Not sure where in the world you are based but if you are anywhere near London (UK) drop me a PM; I still have kept a couple of 20"x16" 'IQ experimental Only' prints made, purely out of curiosity, from (effectively) the same roughly half-frame section as mentioned in connection to the M Monochrom (horizontal from portrait) of a few of my old 35mm negs. made back in the day so if you are ever within striking-distance send me a PM!

Philip.

I’m on the far side of the rock across the pond, but I’ll definitely drop a line if I find myself in the neighborhood 

I’d like to see the bad examples too! 

[otto.f]

12 hours ago, jaapv said:

Correction: Nitrogen space. Not CO2.

I knew it! Jaap will correct me 😁 thanks

[pippy]

8 hours ago, shanefking said:

I’m on the far side of the rock across the pond, but I’ll definitely drop a line if I find myself in the neighborhood 

I’d like to see the bad examples too! 

I'm up against a fairly tight deadline ATM, Shane, but I'll try to sort something out for you when I get a bit of time.

Philip.

[Einst_Stein]

I found some Techpan photos from Flickr.

What I like about these can be easier achieved by Tmax 400. 

I think Techpan would be a nice topic to explore, but should open a new thread to be more focusing  and appealing. 

 

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[FrankF]

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On 2/15/2023 at 12:52 PM, Zeitblom said:

Cropping allows taking photos without heavy telephoto lenses.
Very comfortable for backpacking tours in the high mountains.
Therefore - bring on more megapixels, but only if the image quality is also increased.

 

Edited March 4, 2023 by FrankF
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[FrankF]

If you have a M9-M240-M10 you have the same 24MP resolution sensor. Using it full frame you can make a print of size ( not really, using for simplification) 4x5 inches. Then you run out of pixels. Using a 100mp sensor you would get a  8x10 print. 
or

You no longer must carry a 50mm lens AND a 100mm lens. Crop to get the same field of view. 
the benefit comes primarily  to those of us of a certain (old) age that no longer wish or can carry an extra lens. It is making your fixed focal length lens effectively a zoom lens.  You also get the DOF of the wider lens. 

there are downsides like noise from smaller pixel size. 

[dpitt]

15 hours ago, FrankF said:

If you have a M9-M240-M10 you have the same 24MP resolution sensor. Using it full frame you can make a print of size ( not really, using for simplification) 4x5 inches. Then you run out of pixels. Using a 100mp sensor you would get a  8x10 print. 
or

You no longer must carry a 50mm lens AND a 100mm lens. Crop to get the same field of view. 
the benefit comes primarily  to those of us of a certain (old) age that no longer wish or can carry an extra lens. It is making your fixed focal length lens effectively a zoom lens.  You also get the DOF of the wider lens. 

there are downsides like noise from smaller pixel size. 

You are perfectly right (except for the small error that the  M9 is only 18MP and not 24MP). But the pixel size of the M10 is 4x larger than the size of a 100MP FF. I do not think there is a sensor made yet with equivalent pixels at this size. So your 2x crop will have lower quality compared to the FF M10 shot.

If you go to MF you can find this quality, but then your argument for compactness and weight will be an issue.

If viewing distance is respected, then 1 good picture of 10MP is large enough to print at indefinite size, as the extreme example below demonstrates.

On 2/21/2023 at 7:49 PM, pippy said:

 

Someone earlier mentioned the need for high pixel-count for large-scale bill-board advertising posters but that - to a large extent (Ho!Ho!) - is a red herring. In the early days of digital cam

eras one of my friends shot an Ad. campaign on a Canon EOS-1D. The photograph was used on 96-sheet posters - that's 12 metres x 3 metres or 40 feet x 10 feet for those unfamiliar- and the camera's sensor measured a whopping 4Mp. How is that possible? Because to be able to take in something 40 feet wide the viewer needs to stand back a very long way!

Why on Earth would anyone walk right up to within touching distance of a 96-sheet poster? To count pixels? I don't think so.

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Edited March 4, 2023 by dpitt

[Einst_Stein]

On 3/3/2023 at 4:37 PM, FrankF said:

If you have a M9-M240-M10 you have the same 24MP resolution sensor. Using it full frame you can make a print of size ( not really, using for simplification) 4x5 inches. Then you run out of pixels. Using a 100mp sensor you would get a  8x10 print. 
or

You no longer must carry a 50mm lens AND a 100mm lens. Crop to get the same field of view. 
the benefit comes primarily  to those of us of a certain (old) age that no longer wish or can carry an extra lens. It is making your fixed focal length lens effectively a zoom lens.  You also get the DOF of the wider lens. 

there are downsides like noise from smaller pixel size. 

Only 4x5 print out of a M9, you need to improve your skill. 

[pippy]

On 3/4/2023 at 12:37 AM, FrankF said:

If you have a M9-M240-M10 you have the same 24MP resolution sensor. Using it full frame you can make a print of size......4x5 inches. Then you run out of pixels...

You are kidding?

Please do yourself a very great favour (for your own sanity if nothing else) and read - and fully understand - what is written here;

https://pixelcraft.photo.blog/2022/11/01/viewing-distances-dpi-and-image-size-for-printing/

P.