kobra Posted February 25, 2023 Share #281 Posted February 25, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, Photoworks said: the real question is why there are only 35 an 50mm Leica summicron's. pano has a full line. Not sure I understand... Leica has a full line of APO summicron's already, and a selection of zooms. They are just starting in the non-APO lenses, likely to test the response to the 2 most popular focal lengths. Why is that "the real question"? Brad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MediaFotografie Posted February 25, 2023 Share #282 Posted February 25, 2023 vor 5 Stunden schrieb Photoworks: the real question is why there are only 35 an 50mm Leica summicron's. pano has a full line. time will tell… Leica announced APO SC 21mm: September 15th, 2018 - so we have to wait for it about 5 years… they will need some time for the others- if they are coming 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted February 25, 2023 Share #283 Posted February 25, 2023 6 hours ago, Photoworks said: the real question is why there are only 35 an 50mm Leica summicron's. pano has a full line. For various reasons. Manufactory capacity for one, I doubt Leica (or anyone else) can produce a brand new full line of lenses out of the blue. Also, I suppose Leica wants to see how people react to these lenses first, and it's a financially good idea to drop them one at a time to give people time to save for the next lens in the lineup. And finally, because Panasonic has a 85mm, not a 90mm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted February 25, 2023 Share #284 Posted February 25, 2023 13 hours ago, Simone_DF said: Given one lens can be found for 350€ and the other 2000€, you could buy 5 Panasonics for the price of one Leica, shot all of them one next to each other, keep the two best performers and send the other three back and still save more than 50% of the price. The second lens can be kept for "long-term performance" when the first will allegedly fail (never happened to me). So the issue is value? The new ASPH are very good value when purchased as part of a kit, but they are expensive on their own (relative to other brands' "entry level"). As someone who uses lenses that I purchased new in the 1980s, I find durability to be a significant factor. I understand that others do not, and that's fine. My attitude is that I would rather buy something once, not 5 times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted February 25, 2023 Share #285 Posted February 25, 2023 11 hours ago, Photoworks said: the real question is why there are only 35 an 50mm Leica summicron's. pano has a full line. Those are traditionally the most popular focal lengths for Leica, so they are the obvious place to start. I vaguely recall one of Leica's talks mentioning that 35+50 combined are more than half of their lens sales. Maybe we'll see more if these two are popular. Or maybe they'll drop the whole line because of internet static! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virob Posted February 25, 2023 Author Share #286 Posted February 25, 2023 What would be interesting is if, whoever designed the series of Panasonic primes, also designed a 28mm, 21mm, or other focal length that Panasonic decided not to produce, but maybe Leica will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted February 26, 2023 Share #287 Posted February 26, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 19 hours ago, BernardC said: So the issue is value? The new ASPH are very good value when purchased as part of a kit, but they are expensive on their own (relative to other brands' "entry level"). As someone who uses lenses that I purchased new in the 1980s, I find durability to be a significant factor. I understand that others do not, and that's fine. My attitude is that I would rather buy something once, not 5 times. No, the issue for me is performance. If (still a IF at this stage) the Pana and Leica are exactly the same minus the metal barrel, I'd go for the Panasonic for the additional weight saving. If the Leica is capable of producing "better" (to my eyes) images, I'd go for the Leica. The lenses you bought in the '80s were manual lenses that can be adapted to any camera. But I highly doubt that autofocus motors in modern lenses will last 30 years of use. You don't have to buy things 5 times. Thanks to automation and technology, tolerances are much higher for all manufacturers nowadays. Lemons can and still happen, but chances are slim. All my Panasonic and Sigma lenses performed as expected out of the box and I don't see the need to buy them 5 times. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MediaFotografie Posted February 26, 2023 Share #288 Posted February 26, 2023 Simple size comparison: my father's Nikkor Ai 50/1.4 (late 70s), Summicron-SL 50mm, Summilux-SL 50mm, Nikkor Z 50/1.8 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/365505-leica-352-and-502-sl-asph-lenses/?do=findComment&comment=4701797'>More sharing options...
Kristofferpaulsen Posted February 26, 2023 Share #289 Posted February 26, 2023 On 2/23/2023 at 11:40 PM, Simone_DF said: I agree with you, the DOF and sharpness look great. But same can be said about the Panasonics, and users on this forum have been posting really great images made with these lenses. Until we get a side by side comparison, it is hard to assess if the the Leica is worth the extra 1500€ or not from an image standpoint. I'm excluding personal preferences for metal barrels, physical look of the lens etc etc which are all valid reasons to choose one instead of the other. Yeah thats fair. when it’s released i’ll pickup a Panasonic and do a test.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristofferpaulsen Posted February 27, 2023 Share #290 Posted February 27, 2023 Funny, i used the 50 ‘lux on a job this weekend, and was reminded about how every time i use it I remember why it cost as much as a secondhand car. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/365505-leica-352-and-502-sl-asph-lenses/?do=findComment&comment=4702164'>More sharing options...
Kristofferpaulsen Posted February 27, 2023 Share #291 Posted February 27, 2023 On 2/25/2023 at 1:58 PM, Jim B said: I agree with you, and I am also a working photographer as a well as getting a masters degree in photography. I have both the sl2 &sl2s and they really have become a joy to use. I’m disappointed there is no live view support on capture one, but Leica fotos on an iPad is so easy to use. My teachers comment on how good my sooc files look. Just saw this.. and uhh.. there is definitely live view support on Capture One. I used it just last wednesday. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim B Posted February 27, 2023 Share #292 Posted February 27, 2023 36 minutes ago, Kristofferpaulsen said: Just saw this.. and uhh.. there is definitely live view support on Capture One. I used it just last wednesday. I love when people respond and have no idea what they are talking about….. it tethers and you can review a picture but it does not support live view. It even lists on their supported cameras that live view is not supported. So how would you have gotten that to work last week? LoL Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/365505-leica-352-and-502-sl-asph-lenses/?do=findComment&comment=4702247'>More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted February 27, 2023 Share #293 Posted February 27, 2023 8 hours ago, Jim B said: I love when people respond and have no idea what they are talking about….. it tethers and you can review a picture but it does not support live view. It even lists on their supported cameras that live view is not supported. So how would you have gotten that to work last week? LoL Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Perhaps the mistake is saying "Capture one" Capture One Pro and Capure one for iPad are two different programs that share some code. Capture One is for PC and Mac and has full support of Live view, even the new M11. Capture One for iPad is only avalable on the iPad and it is a new product with v1 features . Live view is coming soon. USB-C tether takes 4-5 sec per 70-90mb DNG file to transfer . Fotos app 45sec at best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatkatmat Posted March 1, 2023 Share #294 Posted March 1, 2023 (edited) A few with the new 50mm ASPH from my daily commute on my SL2...I believe these are all wide open. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 100% Crop Edited March 1, 2023 by thatkatmat 15 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 100% Crop ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/365505-leica-352-and-502-sl-asph-lenses/?do=findComment&comment=4706568'>More sharing options...
TAFFY Posted March 2, 2023 Share #295 Posted March 2, 2023 2 hours ago, thatkatmat said: A few with the new 50mm ASPH from my daily commute on my SL2...I believe these are all wide open. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 100% Crop Thanks for sharing. How are you liking it? I’d like to know how it’s compares to your other SL / L mount lenses 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatkatmat Posted March 2, 2023 Share #296 Posted March 2, 2023 1 minute ago, TAFFY said: Thanks for sharing. How are you liking it? I’d like to know how it’s compares to your other SL / L mount lenses Actually, I've owned all the Leica SL lenses except the 16-35 so far and a few Sigma's. My favorites are the 35 and 75 APO's and the 90-280. The AF on the new ASPH's is faster than any SL lens I've used, it's also silent which is nice. They are 1/2 as light and balance better. Held the body and lens in my hands with a wrist strap for 2 hours running around in the woods and definitely notice a BIG difference in heft. So light! These lenses are SHARP boys and girls, I feel like when I'm shooting the 35, it might as well be the APO, I mean, except a little CA in the highlights (which I don't mind and can be deleted). Combine the minimum Focus distance with the sharpness of these lenses and you get some interesting creamy new looks. I shot scenes with seriously busy backgrounds and both these lenses melt them away...Anyways...Maybe they are Panasonic designs, I don't care, they feel like full on bad ass Summicrons to me. I see zero reasons (for me) to buy an APO 35 or 50 SL with these 2 lenses out. Side note...The build is 100% SL...they are built to last. Here's all the shots from today in 1 folder...1st 15 or so are the 35, the rest are the 50 https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjAu38C 8 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobra Posted March 2, 2023 Share #297 Posted March 2, 2023 33 minutes ago, thatkatmat said: Actually, I've owned all the Leica SL lenses except the 16-35 so far and a few Sigma's. My favorites are the 35 and 75 APO's and the 90-280. The AF on the new ASPH's is faster than any SL lens I've used, it's also silent which is nice. They are 1/2 as light and balance better. Held the body and lens in my hands with a wrist strap for 2 hours running around in the woods and definitely notice a BIG difference in heft. So light! These lenses are SHARP boys and girls, I feel like when I'm shooting the 35, it might as well be the APO, I mean, except a little CA in the highlights (which I don't mind and can be deleted). Combine the minimum Focus distance with the sharpness of these lenses and you get some interesting creamy new looks. I shot scenes with seriously busy backgrounds and both these lenses melt them away...Anyways...Maybe they are Panasonic designs, I don't care, they feel like full on bad ass Summicrons to me. I see zero reasons (for me) to buy an APO 35 or 50 SL with these 2 lenses out. Side note...The build is 100% SL...they are built to last. Here's all the shots from today in 1 folder...1st 15 or so are the 35, the rest are the 50 https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjAu38C Thank you so much for sharing your images! To me, the biggest difference I see between some of these images and ones from the SL50 APO is the quality of the focus falloff, and overall calmness of the background. With the APO, the transition is so smooth and the background is very calm. To me, with several of the examples you've shared, the fall off is more sudden and the background is more nervous; the effect is most noticeable on the images of the dog on the gravel... OTOH, the areas of focus are indeed very sharp, and there is a very nice 3D pop with lovely colours. So is the quality of bokeh worth the difference in price between the APO and non-APO? Or, is there enough difference between the Pana lenses and the Leica lenses? 1- I believe it is clear that there are noticeable differences between all 3 lenses. I also think it's clear that the lowest to highest IQ is Pana, then non-APO, then APO. 2- which one to buy will be influenced heavily by price, and each person will apply their own subjectivity to the "value" of the more expensive lenses. It's good to have choice! Thank you again for the samples; very helpful! Brad 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 2, 2023 Share #298 Posted March 2, 2023 Thjis forum is not the place for nasty, snide and ad-hominem discussions, especially completely OT ones. Pplease be respectful.. 9 posts removed. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MediaFotografie Posted March 2, 2023 Share #299 Posted March 2, 2023 Am 27.2.2023 um 02:59 schrieb Kristofferpaulsen: Funny, i used the 50 ‘lux on a job this weekend, and was reminded about how every time i use it I remember why it cost as much as a secondhand car. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! wow, Chateau d'Yquem - very fine drink for the cook! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted March 2, 2023 Share #300 Posted March 2, 2023 8 hours ago, kobra said: 1- I believe it is clear that there are noticeable differences between all 3 lenses. I also think it's clear that the lowest to highest IQ is Pana, then non-APO, then APO How did you reach this “clear” conclusion? Can you provide samples of the noticeable differences between the Pana and non-APO? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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