Leica 35/2 and 50/2 SL ASPH lenses?

[MediaFotografie]

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ok, we've already had Norwegian, now it's going to be a bit more interesting, with picture examples at the end:

 

 

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[Kristofferpaulsen]

Had a quick go of the 50mm at the Melbourne Leica store, and I gotta say i am so impressed, it’s TINY for an SL lens. Had a quick go, and the quality is great. He’s Carlo straight out of the SL2s.. very sharp, very nice. Another pointing out the window on Collins street. Lovely rendering.

 

Also, can’t believe how well the SL2s goes at high iso. Yikes. This was 6400iso, f2, 1/640th.  

 

 

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[Simone_DF]

Great. How does it compare to its Panasonic sibling? Same rendering? Sharper? Worth the price difference? I’m genuinely curious since I’m tired of carrying the APO and I’m looking forward getting a lighter option, be it Sigma, Panasonic or these PanaLeica. 
I’d do a direct comparison myself, but multiple international shippings (and returns) are a pain. 

[Daniel C.1975]

Hmm, I would say that the picture of Carlo looks definitely different to what I would expect from my Panasonic. I am very careful here on a monitor at web-size, but it seems to be super sharp while being less artificial than the Panasonic. But could also just be the light etc. pp. 

Thanks for sharing. 

[romaing]

A first review (in german) :

https://neunzehn72.de/leica-sl-summicron-35-mm-f-2-0-und-50-mm-f-2-0-asph-fotos-statt-review/

[dem331]

2 hours ago, romaing said:

A first review (in german) :

https://neunzehn72.de/leica-sl-summicron-35-mm-f-2-0-und-50-mm-f-2-0-asph-fotos-statt-review/

Very interesting. Thank you. 

[thatkatmat]

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10 hours ago, Kristofferpaulsen said:

Had a quick go of the 50mm at the Melbourne Leica store, and I gotta say i am so impressed, it’s TINY for an SL lens. Had a quick go, and the quality is great. He’s Carlo straight out of the SL2s.. very sharp, very nice. Another pointing out the window on Collins street. Lovely rendering.

 

Also, can’t believe how well the SL2s goes at high iso. Yikes. This was 6400iso, f2, 1/640th.  

 

 

 

 

I had the same experience. Lots of people griping about Japan and Panasonic that haven't touched one, but just wait until they do. I thought the files were VERY "Leica" soft tones with VERY sharp details. Much better than I expected. The SL "feel" was there too, VERY solid, yet light.

Cheers

Edited February 21, 2023 by thatkatmat

[Kristofferpaulsen]

6 hours ago, Simone_DF said:

Great. How does it compare to its Panasonic sibling? Same rendering? Sharper? Worth the price difference? I’m genuinely curious since I’m tired of carrying the APO and I’m looking forward getting a lighter option, be it Sigma, Panasonic or these PanaLeica. 
I’d do a direct comparison myself, but multiple international shippings (and returns) are a pain. 

I havent tried the panasonic, so i can’t comment.. but it is definitely pin sharp. I woulda posted the full res but for the size limits.. actually i’ll put it in my dropbox later so you can see full res. The lighting in the store is pretty awful photographically, so yeah. It’s good. 
 

the form factor is great. Feels perfect. 

[Kristofferpaulsen]

5 hours ago, Daniel C.1975 said:

Hmm, I would say that the picture of Carlo looks definitely different to what I would expect from my Panasonic. I am very careful here on a monitor at web-size, but it seems to be super sharp while being less artificial than the Panasonic. But could also just be the light etc. pp. 

Thanks for sharing. 

Well the light was shit, so that’s a good sign for the lens!

[Kristofferpaulsen]

8 minutes ago, thatkatmat said:

I had the same experience. Lots of people griping about Japan and Panasonic that haven't touched one, but just wait until they do. I thought the files were VERY "Leica" soft tones with VERY sharp details. Much better than I expected. The SL "feel" was there too, VERY solid, yet light.

Cheers

I agree. 🤌🏻

[Daniel C.1975]

The pictures from 1972 also do look very promising and they all have a very distinct signature. Which of course could be post, but I do not believe so. For me this does definitely look different to my Panasonic 1.8 50. It leans much more towards my 35 apo-sl. I am sure in the end the apo is the better lens, but it definitely looks like we are just getting more excellent choices. I could also imagine, that in the end it might even be more a matter of taste (if the wallet does not matter) which one  someone prefers. 

I could laugh my ass off (sorry for my language). Sides of arguing that Leica is ripping us off with some cheap Panasonic clones, and than the first pictures do in fact look really, really good   

[mcqinternational]

35mm version arrived ordered from leica London was posted from Germany very quick 2days arrived in sunny N Ireland 

[LD_50]

1 hour ago, Daniel C.1975 said:

The pictures from 1972 also do look very promising and they all have a very distinct signature. Which of course could be post, but I do not believe so. For me this does definitely look different to my Panasonic 1.8 50. It leans much more towards my 35 apo-sl. I am sure in the end the apo is the better lens, but it definitely looks like we are just getting more excellent choices. I could also imagine, that in the end it might even be more a matter of taste (if the wallet does not matter) which one  someone prefers. 

I could laugh my ass off (sorry for my language). Sides of arguing that Leica is ripping us off with some cheap Panasonic clones, and than the first pictures do in fact look really, really good   

Which photos are you referencing? The ones posted here or the review or some other source? Without some sort of comparison to the APOs or the Panasonic lenses and full size downloads I don’t know how one can draw any comparison. 

[Kristofferpaulsen]

17 minutes ago, LD_50 said:

Which photos are you referencing? The ones posted here or the review or some other source? Without some sort of comparison to the APOs or the Panasonic lenses and full size downloads I don’t know how one can draw any comparison. 

Here’s full size JPG’s from an sl2s.. 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/a4qx2ntrxt46ff8/AACx6CjhjLjEw2yJX9JJtXoya?dl=0

 

the first one (crazy eyes) is on like, 100iso with 50th of a second also, which i found pretty wild. 

[LD_50]

3 hours ago, Kristofferpaulsen said:

Here’s full size JPG’s from an sl2s.. 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/a4qx2ntrxt46ff8/AACx6CjhjLjEw2yJX9JJtXoya?dl=0

 

the first one (crazy eyes) is on like, 100iso with 50th of a second also, which i found pretty wild. 

Thanks for uploading. The images look fine, but nothing that would allow me to compare to the APOs or Panasonic without taking a similar image with those lenses. 
 

What’s with the metering on the other portrait (iso 6400 and 1/640)? The one you referenced shows iso 400 and 1/50. 

[Daniel C.1975]

vor 6 Stunden schrieb LD_50:

Which photos are you referencing? The ones posted here or the review or some other source? Without some sort of comparison to the APOs or the Panasonic lenses and full size downloads I don’t know how one can draw any comparison. 

The ones from the link. Sorry, I just wrote 1972 but the sides name is neunzehn72.de (neunzehn is German for 19).

https://neunzehn72.de/leica-sl-summicron-35-mm-f-2-0-und-50-mm-f-2-0-asph-fotos-statt-review/

[Kristofferpaulsen]

4 hours ago, LD_50 said:

Thanks for uploading. The images look fine, but nothing that would allow me to compare to the APOs or Panasonic without taking a similar image with those lenses. 
 

What’s with the metering on the other portrait (iso 6400 and 1/640)? The one you referenced shows iso 400 and 1/50. 

Obviously.. as i said, was a quick “oh cool you got them?” And quick snaps, not claiming to be references

 

the 6400 one was to try performance at higher iso, as this was my first time trying the sl2s. 

[Simone_DF]

15 hours ago, Daniel C.1975 said:

The pictures from 1972 also do look very promising and they all have a very distinct signature. Which of course could be post, but I do not believe so. For me this does definitely look different to my Panasonic 1.8 50.

At a first glance, the look of these images is more reminiscent of Leica lenses compared to the output I have seen from Panasonics, which is a very good sign, but they also seem to be substantially post processed, so there's that too. A direct Pana/Leica comparison would be ideal, we'll see if that happens in the future.

The good part is that whatever lens is the final choice for the end user, it's always a win as they are all good options. (and let's not forget the upcoming Sigma!)

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[Stuart Richardson]

We'll find out eventually. The photos show that they are capable of very nice results, at least on the web. But it sounds like they are sharp on center too. The bokeh looked nice to me at least, and I don't see a ton of LOCA. They look quite good to me...I guess the proof would be the results at 100%. And again, the direct comparison would be helpful, but at the end of the day, the lenses seem good at least, so even if they are some sort of rebrand, at least the performance is on point.

[Kristofferpaulsen]

10 hours ago, Daniel C.1975 said:

The ones from the link. Sorry, I just wrote 1972 but the sides name is neunzehn72.de (neunzehn is German for 19).

https://neunzehn72.de/leica-sl-summicron-35-mm-f-2-0-und-50-mm-f-2-0-asph-fotos-statt-review/

 

18 minutes ago, Stuart Richardson said:

We'll find out eventually. The photos show that they are capable of very nice results, at least on the web. But it sounds like they are sharp on center too. The bokeh looked nice to me at least, and I don't see a ton of LOCA. They look quite good to me...I guess the proof would be the results at 100%. And again, the direct comparison would be helpful, but at the end of the day, the lenses seem good at least, so even if they are some sort of rebrand, at least the performance is on point.

 

3 hours ago, Simone_DF said:

At a first glance, the look of these images is more reminiscent of Leica lenses compared to the output I have seen from Panasonics, which is a very good sign, but they also seem to be substantially post processed, so there's that too. A direct Pana/Leica comparison would be ideal, we'll see if that happens in the future.

The good part is that whatever lens is the final choice for the end user, it's always a win as they are all good options. (and let's not forget the upcoming Sigma!)

I think the 1972 images (yes I know i have it wrong) look great.. not too much post, just contrast and a bit of a colour grade.. the DOF is great, and the sharpness all there. Consistent with the look i’d expect from a ‘cron, and from my 60 second test at the store. I’m in!