Exposure compensation thumb wheel in manual

[Ronaldraw]

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I can use the exposure compensation wheel in AF, for example F 8. (and shutter speed on auto), As soon as I will photograph in manual I can not use the compensation wheel. When I use this than the shutter speed will change. 

Is it possible to use the compensation wheel in manual? 

Edited February 1, 2023 by Ronaldraw

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[Ronaldraw]

Just now, Ronaldraw said:

I can use the exposure compensation wheel in AF, for example F 8. (and shutter speed on auto), As soon as I will photograph in manual I can not use the compensation wheel. When I use this than the shutter speed will change. 

Is it possible to use the compensation wheel in manual? 

 

[Ronaldraw]

Found!!

 

https://www.manualslib.com/manual/2062420/Leica-Q2-Monochrom.html?page=87

 

 

[Pelu2010]

Hey, 

I have two approach to this. 

1. I put the exposure compensation (EX)  on the fn button and execute it that way. 

2. I switch between modes: I'll switch to A >  dial down or up the EX and dial back to > M 

And I would prefer a permanent EX for the camera in any mode. 

By making the dial a push dial. So this way we could have different things on the dial if we push through. 

cheers Peter 

[SirBlunder]

This is a bit silly to me. 

I mostly shoot in aperture priority mode, use center-weighted auto exposure metering, and use my thumb to adjust the exposure compensation using the far-right dial. 

Occasionally I want to shoot in manual mode with auto ISO (i.e. manual aperture AND shutter speed, leaving ISO on auto). In that setup, the exposure dial does nothing. I guess the point is that, at that point, using an exposure compensation dial would be equivalent to just... changing the ISO? 

If that's the logic, I guess that's fine, but changing ISO requires an extra step (pushing the button, then changing the ISO). Kind of frustrating. I like the workflow of just swiping my thumb in either direction to lighten/darken my exposure. Regardless of what's being adjusted (in this case, just ISO, "automatically", based on what I'm going for). 

What am I missing? 

[Nimar]

Personally exposure comp in manual makes no sense. It’s manual, if you want to under expose decrease your aperture and or increase shutter speed.  
 

The wheel gives you incremental shutter speeds that are otherwise unavailable. 

[SirBlunder]

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8 minutes ago, Nimar said:

Personally exposure comp in manual makes no sense. It’s manual, if you want to under expose decrease your aperture and or increase shutter speed.  
 

The wheel gives you incremental shutter speeds that are otherwise unavailable. 

I hear you. But I'm talking about a situation where I'm not in FULL auto mode. My ISO is still automatic so, regardless of what I do to my aperture or SS, my ISO will adjust to keep my exposure within a certain range.

In this case, unless I go to extremes and ISO can't compensate enough, I can't over- or under-expose. 

[Nimar]

6 minutes ago, SirBlunder said:

I hear you. But I'm talking about a situation where I'm not in FULL auto mode. My ISO is still automatic so, regardless of what I do to my aperture or SS, my ISO will adjust to keep my exposure within a certain range.

In this case, unless I go to extremes and ISO can't compensate enough, I can't over- or under-expose. 

Fair. While on the subject I don’t really get auto iso in full manual. It’s essentially (I) priority mode, as you lose full creative control when the camera is trying to compensate in a way you might not intend. 

Edited February 7, 2023 by Nimar

[SirBlunder]

5 hours ago, Nimar said:

Fair. While on the subject I don’t really get auto iso in full manual. It’s essentially (I) priority mode, as you lose full creative control when the camera is trying to compensate in a way you might not intend. 

Agreed; you definitely lose some control when you keep ISO on full auto but, again, the use case sometimes applies to me. E.g. For whatever reason I want to use a certain aperture AND a certain SS (as mentioned, I'm typically in aperture priority), but I don't want to mess around with my ISO and kind of want to make sure my exposure is within a certain range such that the image will at least be usable in post. 

But then.. back to the main problem. Exposure compensation doesn't do anything, so I need to do an extra step and actually adjust my ISO as well. (Or just go ahead and PICK an ISO, and adjust either my SS or aperture, which is probably what you're suggesting I do.)

 

[jaapv]

There is a bit of confusion here. ISO is not an exposure parameter. The only settings that influence the image are shutter speed (motion blur) and aperture (DOF). ISO is only about the amount of light the camera records through amplification. I use ISO like I used film. Choose and set according to the situation and leave it there. If needed  change manually. 

[Viv]

I cut my teeth on film, so I NEVER use auto-ISO.

[ianforber]

1 hour ago, Viv said:

I cut my teeth on film, so I NEVER use auto-ISO.

I see what you mean but that was always used to frustrate me about film. I’d load a film that I wanted to use for a particular situation, take a few pictures then when I next got my camera out, I’d find the ISO was completely unsuited to the next type of picture I wanted to take and I never trusted myself to partially rewind the film and swap it out for a different one (Kodachrome was just too expensive!).

These days I normally shoot in Aperture priority and auto ISO but will occasionally set the shutter speed manually if that’s is particularly important for the image and let the ISO sort itself out within whatever range I’ve told the camera to limit itself to. Probably makes no difference to just setting a specific ISO and carrying on but just gives me something less to think about. That’s just me though. 

[Ronaldraw]

Exposure comp in manual makes indeed sense. You can decide difference stops from a half to a whole.  This tool is not for nothing on your camera.

[SirBlunder]

24 minutes ago, ianforber said:

I see what you mean but that was always used to frustrate me about film. I’d load a film that I wanted to use for a particular situation, take a few pictures then when I next got my camera out, I’d find the ISO was completely unsuited to the next type of picture I wanted to take and I never trusted myself to partially rewind the film and swap it out for a different one (Kodachrome was just too expensive!).

These days I normally shoot in Aperture priority and auto ISO but will occasionally set the shutter speed manually if that’s is particularly important for the image and let the ISO sort itself out within whatever range I’ve told the camera to limit itself to. Probably makes no difference to just setting a specific ISO and carrying on but just gives me something less to think about. That’s just me though. 

"And let the ISO sort itself out"

That's my issue. Bottom line, the thumbwheel in aperture priority, for me, is sort of what I'm used to in terms of quick adjustments to my brightness/exposure. Put SS in manual as well and.. the thumbwheel does nothing.

[jaapv]

Yes, it is practical to use exposure compensation that way  but mainly in A mode with the Histogram displayed in the EVF. 

[ianforber]

3 hours ago, SirBlunder said:

"And let the ISO sort itself out"

That's my issue. Bottom line, the thumbwheel in aperture priority, for me, is sort of what I'm used to in terms of quick adjustments to my brightness/exposure. Put SS in manual as well and.. the thumbwheel does nothing.

I agree. Big user of the exposure compensation thumbwheel here too. 

[Trankster]

On 2/1/2023 at 1:35 AM, Ronaldraw said:

I can use the exposure compensation wheel in AF, for example F 8. (and shutter speed on auto), As soon as I will photograph in manual I can not use the compensation wheel. When I use this than the shutter speed will change. 

Is it possible to use the compensation wheel in manual? 

I have been experimenting with manual aperature and shutter speed leaving ISO on auto, and found that you can adjust the exposure compensation from the status screen (first screen when pressing menu).  Touch the upper right EV box in the menu and you can increase or decrease the compensation. 

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Edited February 9, 2023 by Trankster

[timplog]

On 2/8/2023 at 4:53 AM, jaapv said:

There is a bit of confusion here. ISO is not an exposure parameter. The only settings that influence the image are shutter speed (motion blur) and aperture (DOF). ISO is only about the amount of light the camera records through amplification. I use ISO like I used film. Choose and set according to the situation and leave it there. If needed  change manually. 

kinda might affect image though, with very high ISO noise/grain but...

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[jaapv]

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