tom0511 Posted October 23, 2007 Share #1 Posted October 23, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi again, since I am working on my color management and printing- and I mainly work with my notebook display (it seems ok because the prints I let the store do look mainly like what I see on the display, with the display maybe being a tad to cold (even when calibrated) I wonder which display/flatscreen can be recommended. I calibrate with a spider 2, I dont need 100% accurancy and would not want to spend 3000k or more for a adobe-Eizo-Screen. Are there any screens in the sub 500- max.1000 € Price range which can be recommended for photoediting? Any good experience with certain models/brands? And another question - what about a small notebook with a good screen - are there any brands which are know for a screen which calibrates good? (IBM, Fujitsu Siemens, Sony? apple is not a choice for me because I have to run a lot of PC-only-software) Thanks a lot, Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Venkman Posted October 23, 2007 Share #2 Posted October 23, 2007 NEC LCD2690WUXi (26") - it's my single and only recommendation and I use one myself. UGRA certified, almost complete Adobe RGB and 12 bit lookup table, which is in theory (and with some tricks) hardware profileable - it really does show a difference. Price is around 1100 Euro. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laki Posted October 23, 2007 Share #3 Posted October 23, 2007 i can recommend the nec 2690 as well, very good display imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfarkas Posted October 23, 2007 Share #4 Posted October 23, 2007 The Eizo ColorEdge CE210W is a 21" screen for about $1100. Not quite as large as the CE240W at $1600, but still very nice and just as color accurate and easy to calibrate. Should be right at the top of your budget. Also, the Eizo monitors come with a 5-year warranty. Their additional longevity might lower your TCO over time. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted99 Posted October 23, 2007 Share #5 Posted October 23, 2007 Is there anything in the range of 30" screen that is good enough to use ? Apples screen is not really up to it. thanks Ted Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony C. Posted October 23, 2007 Share #6 Posted October 23, 2007 I've just recently switched from an Apple Cinema Display to a 24" Eizo CE240W. The Eizo is a huge step forward, not only with respect to color accuracy, but much to my surprise, it also reduces eye-strain to a remarkable degree. I imagine that the simple explanation is contrast ratios, as the Apple was 700:1, while the Eizo is 1000:1. Needless to say, if you only use your monitor for an hour or two a day, eye-strain may not be a big issue. But for those who, like me, sometimes spend several hours a day in front of their monitor, I'd strongly recommend the Eizo or equivalent high-end monitor. The combination of superior color accuracy and reduced eye-strain lead me to the conclusion that the $1600.00 cost represents excellent value. Ted: Eizo has just introduced a 30" version, though I'm sure it is very expensive. Regards, Tony C. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gesper Posted October 23, 2007 Share #7 Posted October 23, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) The Eizo ColorEdge CE210W is a 21" screen for about $1100. Not quite as large as the CE240W at $1600, but still very nice and just as color accurate and easy to calibrate. Should be right at the top of your budget. Also, the Eizo monitors come with a 5-year warranty. Their additional longevity might lower your TCO over time. David I also invested in this EIZO and it is phenomenal, especially for the price. You use your Spyder to calibrate, but it uses EIZO's proprietary software. If money is an issue, I would stretch for the 21" Eizo versus an inferior 30" from someone else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted October 23, 2007 Share #8 Posted October 23, 2007 I bought the biggest and best EIZO I could afford at the time--a 19" CG model. It's fabulous, and the only thing I would trade it for is another, larger, EIZO CG. Strong points? Off-axis colour and illumination is superb Shadow detail and lack of banding is uncanny for an LCD. Only my Sony Artisan CRT was better Color is extremely consistent DDC compatible (on Windows) which means I plug in my Eye One, I tell it the luminance targets I want, and it automatically calibrates and profiles the monitor (through a USB connection). Super sweet Yes they're expensive, but a great investment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gesper Posted October 23, 2007 Share #9 Posted October 23, 2007 By the way, EIZO also offers a hood for extra money, but I made one out of black foam board that works fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodyspedden Posted October 23, 2007 Share #10 Posted October 23, 2007 The Eizo ColorEdge CE210W is a 21" screen for about $1100. Not quite as large as the CE240W at $1600, but still very nice and just as color accurate and easy to calibrate. Should be right at the top of your budget. Also, the Eizo monitors come with a 5-year warranty. Their additional longevity might lower your TCO over time. David I use the new Eizo CG 241W and absolutely love it. It displays 98% of the full Adobe RGB color space which is far larger than any other monitor I know of. I understand that the new CG 210 displays 100% of the same space. Buuilt in calibration software for use with the Gretag Macbeth EyeOne Photo spectrophotometer as well. Great stuff Woody Spedden Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gesper Posted October 23, 2007 Share #11 Posted October 23, 2007 I use the new Eizo CG 241W and absolutely love it. It displays 98% of the full Adobe RGB color space which is far larger than any other monitor I know of. I understand that the new CG 210 displays 100% of the same space. Buuilt in calibration software for use with the Gretag Macbeth EyeOne Photo spectrophotometer as well. Great stuff Woody Spedden But the CG line is twice as expensive as the CE line isn't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MindsEye Posted October 23, 2007 Share #12 Posted October 23, 2007 And another question - what about a small notebook with a good screen - are there any brands which are know for a screen which calibrates good? (IBM, Fujitsu Siemens, Sony? apple is not a choice for me because I have to run a lot of PC-only-software) Thanks a lot, Tom Check out this article on notebook screen accuracy from Rob Galbraith's site: http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-8741-9027 There are many good tips on calibrating a notebook screen even if you don't get the exact models they consider to be accurate. I think its worth reading the whole thing. I know you said you don't want Apple but all of the recent Apples can boot Windows and Vista for your PC specific apps. "Bootcamp" is free from Apple but there are also inexpensive solutions for running both OSs simultaneously. Hope this helps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodyspedden Posted October 23, 2007 Share #13 Posted October 23, 2007 But the CG line is twice as expensive as the CE line isn't it? The CG 241W is $2365 which is expensive for sure but I think worth it. The price includes the hood which I believe is about $195 for other Eizo 24 inch displays. I would certainly recommend you look at Eizo screens before deciding on others. Today the king of price/performance large screen displays seems to be the Dell 2405W. It is an improved design over the original 2405W and costs about $900. The original 2405 is still available from several sources and costs only about $500.These displays are a steal. I had one for about two years and enjoyed my time with it. Woody Spedden Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenerrolrd Posted October 23, 2007 Share #14 Posted October 23, 2007 The CG 241W is $2365 which is expensive for sure but I think worth it. The price includes the hood which I believe is about $195 for other Eizo 24 inch displays. I would certainly recommend you look at Eizo screens before deciding on others. Today the king of price/performance large screen displays seems to be the Dell 2405W. It is an improved design over the original 2405W and costs about $900. The original 2405 is still available from several sources and costs only about $500.These displays are a steal. I had one for about two years and enjoyed my time with it. Woody Spedden Woody hope things are good with you and the family....do you have dedicated work station to drive your digital darkroom. my digital darkroom is in atlanta where my daughter has taken it over ...I need to build one in Florida so I am in the market again. Any suggestions. Roger Dunham Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted October 23, 2007 Author Share #15 Posted October 23, 2007 Check out this article on notebook screen accuracy from Rob Galbraith's site:Rob Galbraith DPI: Evaluating the MacBook Pro 15 inch LED-backlit display There are many good tips on calibrating a notebook screen even if you don't get the exact models they consider to be accurate. I think its worth reading the whole thing. I know you said you don't want Apple but all of the recent Apples can boot Windows and Vista for your PC specific apps. "Bootcamp" is free from Apple but there are also inexpensive solutions for running both OSs simultaneously. Hope this helps. Thanks for this link. Are you saying I can run Windows just the same way I do on every other pc-notebook? Sorry, this might be a stupid question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 23, 2007 Share #16 Posted October 23, 2007 I have the new MacBook Pro 15 inch and it is really very good The new, LED-backlit MacBook Pro 15 inch still has the better screen. It's much more even in brightness across the entire display surface, deep, deep shadows are slightly more true, it has a somewhat wider colour gamut and it's likely to maintain usuable brightness for longer - perhaps years longer, based on some estimates - than a CCFL-equipped laptop display. The switch to LED also makes the MacBook Pro 15 inch a bit lighter, and the promised runtime on battery longer too. But our accidental discovery of a way to better-profile the older MacBook Pros we already own means they should serve us well for awhile yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MindsEye Posted October 24, 2007 Share #17 Posted October 24, 2007 Thanks for this link. Are you saying I can run Windows just the same way I do on every other pc-notebook? Sorry, this might be a stupid question. Not a stupid question at all. You are correct that you can run XP and Vista the same on an intel Mac. That said I have to admit that I have only used the Mac OS on my own machines. I stopped using Windows years ago. But here is a link to Apples web site about it: http://www.apple.com/getamac/everything-ready.html Also if you google it you'll find numerous articles on the subject and how it all works. There may be some devil in the details so I'd take a look at it first and if you have an Apple store near you- you may be able to see how it all runs first hand. Good luck and keep us posted. Joel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay101 Posted October 25, 2007 Share #18 Posted October 25, 2007 Is there anything in the range of 30" screen that is good enough to use ?Apples screen is not really up to it. Tend to agree with your comments on the Apple Cinema displays - I just don't think they're that good. Sadly. Being an avid Apple user I'd love to say they're great, but I invested in an Eizo after doing a lot of research and some side-by-side comparisons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodyspedden Posted October 25, 2007 Share #19 Posted October 25, 2007 Woody hope things are good with you and the family....do you have dedicated work station to drive your digital darkroom. my digital darkroom is in atlanta where my daughter has taken it over ...I need to build one in Florida so I am in the market again. Any suggestions. Roger Dunham Hi Roger Given the gear you shoot with if I were you I would go for the best. For me that would be a high end desktop Mac Pro with at least 4gb ram and two 500gb drives for raid 0 storage. Get the best video card you like (should drive two DVI ports) and finally get an Eizo monitor. I use the CG240W which is a 24 inch screen and I have an older Dell 19inch which I use to display palettes from Photoshop leaving the image only at its largest size on the Eizo. Calibrate with an XRite (Gretag Macbeth) EyePhoto Spectrophotometer and you are in business for a very long time. I am aiming for a print output for my Epson 7800 but your final output may be different. All the best and hello to Carolyn Woody Spedden Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MindsEye Posted October 25, 2007 Share #20 Posted October 25, 2007 Hi Roger Given the gear you shoot with if I were you I would go for the best. For me that would be a high end desktop Mac Pro with at least 4gb ram and two 500gb drives for raid 0 storage. Get the best video card you like (should drive two DVI ports) and finally get an Eizo monitor. I use the CG240W which is a 24 inch screen and I have an older Dell 19inch which I use to display palettes from Photoshop leaving the image only at its largest size on the Eizo. Calibrate with an XRite (Gretag Macbeth) EyePhoto Spectrophotometer and you are in business for a very long time. I am aiming for a print output for my Epson 7800 but your final output may be different. Apple's Cinema displays really aren't pro level. I went through 3 of them before returning the final one. I am using an HP 2335 which is better than the Apples but it will be upgraded to an Eizo soon. I've calibrated it with both an EyeOne (Gretag/Macbeth) and a Spyder2 Pro using PM5 on the former and ColorVision on the latter. My best results have come from ColorEyes with equal results from both calibration devices. I'm running all this on a MacPro 9GB/1.25TB (I make very large prints for my clients.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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