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sdai

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I can make non-IS lenses stable;

 

That's exactly my point as well (in this case anyway ... to be honest but no disrespect intended, I doubt the R10 could handle any type of IS well), if I can't handle a heavy long lens, I use tripod or bean bags.

 

On the other side, I'm strongly against ANY in camera sensor movement based IS ... why Sony, Pentax, Olympus use it? because ...

 

1. Canon and Nikon patented almost everything related to optical stabilization.

2. It's easy, cheap to develop, manufacture and implement.

3. S, P and O don't have a telephoto lens collection worth mentioning.

 

You think optical IS is last century's technology, then why Nikon still introduces VR in their latest 400, 500, 600 ...

 

Let me ask you this, if Canon adopts in camera IS in their 1D series ... what can they do to handle the 800/5.6L, or a 1200/5.6L?

 

You know which focal lengths these camera companies have tested before they could gain some bragging rights in the show flyers? a 50/1.4? ... big deal. ;)

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That's exactly my point as well (in this case anyway ... to be honest but no disrespect intended, I doubt the R10 could handle any type of IS well), if I can't handle a heavy long lens, I use tripod or bean bags.

 

On the other side, I'm strongly against ANY in camera sensor movement based IS ... why Sony, Pentax, Olympus use it? because ...

 

1. Canon and Nikon patented almost everything related to optical stabilization.

2. It's easy, cheap to develop, manufacture and implement.

3. S, P and O don't have a telephoto lens collection worth mentioning.

 

you appear to have left Panasonic OIS out of it ?

so i guess 'almost' conveniently counts them out

 

as to no "telephoto lens collection worth mentioning"

300/2.8 600mm EFL

50-200/2.8-3.5, 100-400 EFL

90-250/2.8, 180-500 EFL

 

then the same Sigma's the rest use, at 2x EFL

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May I ask what your objection is?

 

Sorry, Doug ... let me put it this way, with regards to the R10, I'm not expecting nor I want to see any image stabilization at all, doesn't matter it's optical or sensor movement based.

 

If Leica "must" add IS then I'd rather have it in lens than having it on sensor because I know the sensor based IS doesn't work with long lens. I don't care about these new lenses anyways, because I already have pretty much I like or will possibly need plus ... I know there'll be mint copies on eBay at 30% discount. :D

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you appear to have left Panasonic OIS out of it ?

so i guess 'almost' conveniently counts them out

 

I left Panasonic out because it's not full 35mm format, I could include it if you like.

 

as to no "telephoto lens collection worth mentioning"

300/2.8 600mm EFL

50-200/2.8-3.5, 100-400 EFL

90-250/2.8, 180-500 EFL

 

I can't believe that you could still buy these misleading jargons from Olympus ... let's get it straight, it's ONLY a smaller view angle, ok?

 

300/2.8, 50-200, 100-400, 90-250 are peanuts in 35mm world.

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On this we agree.

 

LOL.

 

Doug ... we should have agreed on many other things. Look, there're many advantages to put IS in the lens ... if you don't buy it (like me), then it won't bother you, right? On the contrary, if IS is in camera, then you get bothered all the time! :D

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Good sense would be FF + AF + IS with the current mount hence backward compatibility...
Nice idea, except that it won’t work...

So you disagree with me when i suggest that FF + AF + IS is simple good sense Michael?

This would draw some water to Peter Tomsu's mill i guess. :D

Why would IS be impossible with the current R mount where Nikons does it well with a smaller one?

Or perhaps i'm missing something here. Would you mind to elaborate a bit on that point?

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...If Leica "must" add IS then I'd rather have it in lens than having it on sensor because I know the sensor based IS doesn't work with long lens...

Do you suggest that the Nikon D3's IS could not work properly with long lenses then?

Well i'm not a Nikon rep folks but with Michael's post above it's been two times that some serious people states (or seems to sate) that what Nikon does is impossible to Leica so i would like to understand why (or why not) if you don't mind..

thanks.gif

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BARTON: I read somewhere that the new R mount will be square, not round.

HOWARTH: So will the glass.

 

Oh dear, I thought too that this was meant to be a joke - rather like the square wheeled bicycle. Sorry Peter, if this caused you offence. As Andy said, let's hope we can all remain friends.

 

Sure we can!

 

You know, I am a bit sensible maybe, because posting these rumors a few weeks ago in the German forum caused me a lot of negative feedback and actually a high number of unqualified reactions.

 

Issue for me is mainly, I am interested in future developments of Leica (all systems) and I am very open to new solutions (systems) as they make sense. But I am simply a user and do not have any advantage out of these new things other than enjoying to take pictures in a superb way. So I am not at all religious about anything historical or new in that area.

 

ALL THE BEST!

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you appear to have left Panasonic OIS out of it ?

so i guess 'almost' conveniently counts them out

 

as to no "telephoto lens collection worth mentioning"

300/2.8 600mm EFL

50-200/2.8-3.5, 100-400 EFL

90-250/2.8, 180-500 EFL

 

then the same Sigma's the rest use, at 2x EFL

 

And to add - the Olympus lenses with SWD together with the E-3 AF system are the fasz´test and most accurate AF out on the market meanwhile!

 

Hard to be topped by N or C :-))))

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I left Panasonic out because it's not full 35mm format, I could include it if you like.

 

 

 

I can't believe that you could still buy these misleading jargons from Olympus ... let's get it straight, it's ONLY a smaller view angle, ok?

 

300/2.8, 50-200, 100-400, 90-250 are peanuts in 35mm world.

 

Even if its peanuts in 35 world, these ae impressive optics and they allow outstanding results - at least as godd as from ANY C or N combination!

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Do you suggest that the Nikon D3's IS could not work properly with long lenses then?

Well i'm not a Nikon rep folks but with Michael's post above it's been two times that some serious people states (or seems to sate) that what Nikon does is impossible to Leica so i would like to understand why (or why not) if you don't mind..

thanks.gif

I'm sure someone will be able to correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that Nikon does not use sensor based IS.

I believe that their system (called VR, for Vibration Reduction) is lens based.

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Thank you Steve. So why not 'VR' Leica lenses. Would be great when my hands become less steady and nobody would be forced to buy them anyway no?

I tend to think (based on 'gut feeling' and not any particular knowkedge or insight) that sensor based IS is probably not the way to go at the moment, if indeed Leica decide to go down that route at all.

 

As you say, if any new or revised 'R' lenses are developed to give the 'R10' AF and/or IS capability no-one has to buy them. Assuming of course that existing lenses remain fully compatible with the new camera, and that is probably the most important point for many existin 'R' owners.

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