Panasonic S5 II and the L Squared processor - the sign of things to come?

[Archiver]

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According to press releases and reviews, the S5 II has a new processor that has been codeveloped between Panasonic and Leica, or 'Lumix and Leica', as the L Squared people would say. Surely this is the shape of things to come from the future joint project camera?

[frame-it]

hopefully a "machine learning" data set [object recognition] has been incorporated into the processor like the sony A7r5

[helged]

2 hours ago, Archiver said:

According to press releases and reviews, the S5 II has a new processor that has been codeveloped between Panasonic and Leica, or 'Lumix and Leica', as the L Squared people would say. Surely this is the shape of things to come from the future joint project camera?

Must be a win-win situation: Leica's Maestro III-processor may serve SL2/SL2-S, but likely not SL3x, nor a medium format S4 body. 

[tom.w.bn]

Am 9.1.2023 um 10:50 schrieb Archiver:

According to press releases and reviews, the S5 II has a new processor that has been codeveloped between Panasonic and Leica, or 'Lumix and Leica', as the L Squared people would say. Surely this is the shape of things to come from the future joint project camera?

I'm happy with a joint camera as long as it has a Panasonic price tag and not a Leica price tag.

[BernardC]

On 1/9/2023 at 4:50 AM, Archiver said:

According to press releases and reviews, the S5 II has a new processor that has been codeveloped between Panasonic and Leica, or 'Lumix and Leica', as the L Squared people would say. Surely this is the shape of things to come from the future joint project camera?

I'm not sure what you mean by "the shape of things to come," but Panasonic and Leica are doing exactly what they said they would do: develop core components together in order to avoid needless duplication of effort.

[Archiver]

On 1/10/2023 at 11:37 PM, BernardC said:

I'm not sure what you mean by "the shape of things to come," but Panasonic and Leica are doing exactly what they said they would do: develop core components together in order to avoid needless duplication of effort.

Earlier press releases talked about the L2 arrangement, where Leica and Lumix/Panasonic would develop products together. While this obviously includes cameras and lenses, a L2 branded processor was never mentioned, but makes sense. I assume that this processor or something like it will be in the upcoming L2 camera. I just wonder what the joint venture camera will offer compared with its cousins from Panasonic and Leica.

[tom.w.bn]

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vor 9 Stunden schrieb Archiver:

Earlier press releases talked about the L2 arrangement, where Leica and Lumix/Panasonic would develop products together. While this obviously includes cameras and lenses, a L2 branded processor was never mentioned, but makes sense. I assume that this processor or something like it will be in the upcoming L2 camera. I just wonder what the joint venture camera will offer compared with its cousins from Panasonic and Leica.

I suggest you re-read the press release. https://leica-camera.com/en-int/news/leica-camera-ag-and-panasonic-signed-strategic-comprehensive-collaboration-agreement

For me the key sentence is this:

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Through this collaboration, the two companies will jointly invest in new technologies that can be incorporated into camera and lens products, and will incorporate jointly developed technologies into each other's Leica and LUMIX products to further enhance their product capabilities. Going forward, Leica and LUMIX will utilize L² Technology, which will open up new possibilities for creative camera users, in their marketing activities in order to develop a collaborative system over the long term.

For me the press release contains no indication that they would build end user products together.

 

Edited January 12, 2023 by tom.w.bn

[Archiver]

On 1/12/2023 at 9:59 PM, tom.w.bn said:

I suggest you re-read the press release. https://leica-camera.com/en-int/news/leica-camera-ag-and-panasonic-signed-strategic-comprehensive-collaboration-agreement

For me the key sentence is this:

For me the press release contains no indication that they would build end user products together.

 

You're right, the press release made no mention of a jointly developed camera.

However, this article at Petapixel quotes a Panasonic rep speaking with Nikkei about the development of a mirrorless camera:

https://petapixel.com/2022/08/08/panasonic-and-leica-to-launch-jointly-developed-mirrorless-camera/

The article states that this camera would be released about a year from that date, August 2022. There has been no further news since then.

[cboy]

It's more than likely PDAF will trickle  into the new Q3 but more exciting to the new camera mentioned above. My guess is a FF evf rangefinder styled camera like the GFXR possibly the SL-R to replace the CL line, but it'll have two forms one version for Leica and other Panasonic much like the lx100 / dlux

 

 

 

Edited January 14, 2023 by cboy

[BernardC]

13 hours ago, Archiver said:

You're right, the press release made no mention of a jointly developed camera.

However, this article at Petapixel quotes a Panasonic rep speaking with Nikkei about the development of a mirrorless camera:

https://petapixel.com/2022/08/08/panasonic-and-leica-to-launch-jointly-developed-mirrorless-camera/

The article states that this camera would be released about a year from that date, August 2022. There has been no further news since then.

That article is known for its very poor translation. The Japanese version states that Panasonic will stop selling cheap digicams, but the article translates "cheap" to "small," and then extrapolates that to "all cameras!" It raised an uproar for about 15 minutes, until a Japanese speaker pointed-out their mistake. PetaPixel didn't print a correction, but they aren't journalists (in the traditional sense), and they get lots of clicks/money from their mistake.

To me it sounds like that person was talking about the S5ii

• "About a year" is a safe thing to say when talking to the press. You don't want to be the person who pre-announces a product, unless you are division head or CEO.
• "Jointly developed" means that it is a joint effort. It does not mean that both partners will release identical cameras. Don't forget that modern camera development is mostly electronics and software (and procurement). Two cameras can look and act different even if they share millions of lines of code!

[jdlaing]

In a nut shell Leica is mechanical and optical expertise and Panasonic is electronic expertise. I doubt very seriously that Leica had much input of the development of a processor or image engine. This is something they outsource. L2 is a collaboration so I think Leica will provide lens design features and Panasonic will stick to electronics.