Eoin Posted October 18, 2007 Share #1 Posted October 18, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Reported on another forum, what truth is in the rumor I don't know, but talk of a January price increase on the M8 to $5,599.00 Leica and Rangefinders Forum: Leica M8 Heads Up - photo.net Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 18, 2007 Posted October 18, 2007 Hi Eoin, Take a look here Brace your self US M'ers. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
stunsworth Posted October 18, 2007 Share #2 Posted October 18, 2007 That's more or less on parity with Europe when you convert and add VAT - £3000 currently for the camera in the UK, that converted US price would be around £3200. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Strooper Posted October 18, 2007 Share #3 Posted October 18, 2007 Hi Guy's just thought let you know. Leicabeimeister has an offer on the M8 - 4195 euro! Go get 'em guys! By the Steve, very cool to meet you! Stroop Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted October 18, 2007 Share #4 Posted October 18, 2007 Adrian, yes I enjoyed the chat we had. As a music lover it's always interesting and fun to talk to someone who can actually play/sing the stuff rather than just talk about it like I do. I am very jealous of people with creative talent, it's something I don't have. Recorded music is a substitute for not being able to play the real thing, just as I think my photography is a substitute for not being able to paint or draw. Opps, off topic, sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zapp Posted October 18, 2007 Share #5 Posted October 18, 2007 Hi Guy's just thought let you know. Leicabeimeister has an offer on the M8 - 4195 euro! Go get 'em guys! By the Steve, very cool to meet you! Stroop Leica stated that the increase in price is based on improvements inside the camera - don't laugh at me, look at them. That means that you get a slightly different camera than the first version. Cameras sitting around as well as demo stuff are not real bargains. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted October 18, 2007 Share #6 Posted October 18, 2007 Leica stated that the increase in price is based on improvements inside the camera - don't laugh at me, look at them. That means that you get a slightly different camera than the first version. Cameras sitting around as well as demo stuff are not real bargains. Oh here we go again. What improvements? Please NAME them. Please post the statement by Leica AG about the improvements and that it is the reason for the price increase. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravastar Posted October 18, 2007 Share #7 Posted October 18, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Leica stated that the increase in price is based on improvements inside the camera - don't laugh at me, look at them. That means that you get a slightly different camera than the first version. Cameras sitting around as well as demo stuff are not real bargains. Well, if that's the case then Leica had better have a clear unambiguous way for the buyer to identify them in the market place! Bob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted October 18, 2007 Share #8 Posted October 18, 2007 ....Leica figured out long ago, arrogance, aloofness and plain old snobbery sells..........their cameras will be selling well into the future......... Panasonic and co keep them in with enough pocket money to produce the m line, so a very expensive 8 wil be followed by a 9 that may hit six figures , why not!!! offloading will not be a problem...................... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastFashnReloaded Posted October 18, 2007 Share #9 Posted October 18, 2007 Reported on another forum, what truth is in the rumor I don't know, but talk of a January price increase on the M8 to $5,599.00 Leica and Rangefinders Forum: Leica M8 Heads Up - photo.net That's because the American dollar is now worth what the Canadian dollar is. Why is this? Because it is another ^%$# year before we can get rid of the resident incompetent, arrogant White House idiot, Herr Shrub. Will we survive? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan States Posted October 18, 2007 Share #10 Posted October 18, 2007 They are fast proving to themselves that Leica buyers are of the "more money than brains" type. Hey, why not? Every price increase has been absorbed quickly by the market. The 5K USD Noctilux was the last straw for me...A lens that was widely available for $1900 just three years ago (I know, I bought one new from Photovillage) is now more than double that already insane price. What is hilarious is how we, the audience, seem to soak up the bs. We actually think we are getting a "bargin" when we get a lens at 30% off....HAH!!! 30% off WHAT? Luckily for Leica the value of their products has not been related to their ability since the 1950's, so it's not like that 5k Noct has to actually outperform any other lens. This seems to be the time in Leica history when they go from serving the "Mercedes/Porsche" class of buyer to the Bentley/Bugatti bunch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
35mmSummicron Posted October 18, 2007 Share #11 Posted October 18, 2007 FYI: Vistek, in Toronto, Canada (one of the largest photo retailers catering to the pro market in Canada) has already bumped up the price to the M8's to $5999 CDN. Leica M8 Black Digital SLR Camera 10701 - Vistek Canada Product Detail Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
newyorkone Posted October 18, 2007 Share #12 Posted October 18, 2007 People are talking as if this is real news... ...but the fact is that it is just an unsubstatiated rumor started by a single person. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastFashnReloaded Posted October 18, 2007 Share #13 Posted October 18, 2007 They are fast proving to themselves that Leica buyers are of the "more money than brains" type. Hey, why not? Every price increase has been absorbed quickly by the market. The 5K USD Noctilux was the last straw for me...A lens that was widely available for $1900 just three years ago (I know, I bought one new from Photovillage) is now more than double that already insane price. What is hilarious is how we, the audience, seem to soak up the bs. We actually think we are getting a "bargin" when we get a lens at 30% off....HAH!!! 30% off WHAT? Luckily for Leica the value of their products has not been related to their ability since the 1950's, so it's not like that 5k Noct has to actually outperform any other lens. This seems to be the time in Leica history when they go from serving the "Mercedes/Porsche" class of buyer to the Bentley/Bugatti bunch. ........ Dan, if I were you, I'd get a second (or third) job... AGAIN, the value of the dollar sucks. Currency units per U.S. dollar ............2000......2001.......2002......2003.......2004.......2005........2006 Euro...1.0832....1.1171....1.0578....0.8833....0.8040.....0.8033.....0.7960 Today the Euro is worth a dollar and a half, roughly. In 2001 a Euro was just about on par with the dollar. SO OF COURSE there have been price hikes by Leica here. Do you expect them to lose fifty cents on every dollar vs 2001? This isn't Leica's fault. The price of bread has doubled, gas has doubled (at least), milk prices are up, Porsches cost more. So blame Leica because they want to maintain their profit margin! Geex... Oh, and by the way, what's wrong with Bentley and Bugatti, besides the fact that you can't afford them? Let Comrade Lenin know, he will act to level the playing field for you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMast Posted October 18, 2007 Share #14 Posted October 18, 2007 I bought my M8 just over a month ago to replace an M6 TTL. The UK price was £2990 but is rising this month to £3390. Naturally this affected my decision to buy as £400 is a good contribution towards the 28mm Elmarit I have on order. I know Leica build batches of lenses at a time but you would think they would keep stocks of a standard lens, my dealer has had one of these on order for over 2 months now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankg Posted October 18, 2007 Share #15 Posted October 18, 2007 The Euro bottomed at .82 about 5 years ago, yesterday it past $1.43. While the dollar has been sinking like a stone prices for every type of commodity/raw material have been skyrocketing. If you sold a lens for $1640. 5 years ago, you'd have to sell it for $2860 today just to get the equivalent in Euros -now add in 5 years of inflationary increases in cost of metals, glass, labor, energy, etc. Not a pretty picture for small high quality Euroland manufacturers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat_mcdermott Posted October 18, 2007 Share #16 Posted October 18, 2007 I'd agree with the assessment that any US price increases have far more to do with the weak dollar than any desire on the part of Leica to attract the Bentley/Bugatti class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastFashnReloaded Posted October 18, 2007 Share #17 Posted October 18, 2007 The Euro bottomed at .82 about 5 years ago, yesterday it past $1.43. While the dollar has been sinking like a stone prices for every type of commodity/raw material have been skyrocketing. If you sold a lens for $1640. 5 years ago, you'd have to sell it for $2860 today just to get the equivalent in Euros -now add in 5 years of inflationary increases in cost of metals, glass, labor, energy, etc. Not a pretty picture for small high quality Euroland manufacturers. Ya... Add to that that we Americans aren't getting raises, unless you are a CEO, and insofar as vacations here, while Herr Shrub vacations his life away (he has spent more than 418 days on vacation during his terms), we in the middle class get zilch. Hell, they don't want us to take what we've got. Vacation? I have two weeks to split up over the course OF A YEAR, and a week for sick time that accumulates drip by drip till the year end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankg Posted October 18, 2007 Share #18 Posted October 18, 2007 Ya... Add to that that we Americans aren't getting raises, unless you are a CEO, and insofar as vacations here, while Herr Shrub vacations his life away (he has spent more than 418 days on vacation during his terms), we in the middle class get zilch. Hell, they don't want us to take what we've got. Vacation? I have two weeks to split up over the course OF A YEAR, and a week for sick time that accumulates drip by drip till the year end. The average US male of prime working age is making 12% less then he was 30 years ago in inflation adjusted dollars -but that's using the government inflation numbers which don't count housing, gas, healthcare or food. So if you don't need a house, food, medical attention or have to drive you are just down 12% otherwise the decline is really catastrophic. Euroland ministers are freaking out about the dollar decline and all those countries like China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, etc. are not to happy watching their mountains of dollars dwindle in value daily. Getting back to topic. I'm sure no European manufacturer is happy about the prospect of raising prices just to stay profitable. Of course they could do as they do here. Fire all the experienced workers, bankrupt the company to dump any pension, health care liabilities (screw those employees who put in 40 years) and move production to China. That should get the price of a Nocti back down below $2500 -they could stick the red dots on in Germany and claim the camera was German made. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddp Posted October 18, 2007 Share #19 Posted October 18, 2007 It's already at $5495....what's the shock here? At this level, an extra $500 above the $4995 price probably presented few roadblocks for buyers. You guys really think recent college grads are buying this stuff new? It's either pro's that can afford & justify it or amatuers that have the means & desire to do so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastFashnReloaded Posted October 18, 2007 Share #20 Posted October 18, 2007 The average US male of prime working age is making 12% less then he was 30 years ago in inflation adjusted dollars -but that's using the government inflation numbers which don't count housing, gas, healthcare or food. So if you don't need a house, food, medical attention or have to drive you are just down 12% otherwise the decline is really catastrophic. Euroland ministers are freaking out about the dollar decline and all those countries like China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, etc. are not to happy watching their mountains of dollars dwindle in value daily. Getting back to topic. I'm sure no European manufacturer is happy about the prospect of raising prices just to stay profitable. Of course they could do as they do here. Fire all the experienced workers, bankrupt the company to dump any pension, health care liabilities (screw those employees who put in 40 years) and move production to China. That should get the price of a Nocti back down below $2500 -they could stick the red dots on in Germany and claim the camera was German made. The US government inflation numbers don't count housing, food, gas and healthcare? Huh? I didn't know that. I have a headache. Now I'll never be able to afford an M, unless I stay with film, and then I probably won't be able to afford film. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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