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23 hours ago, pippy said:

In which case who does own the lens when it's on the shelf (in your opinion)?

If I've been following the thread correctly, the answer is Jason Momoa. Or his ex-wife, if the camera collection wasn't specified in their pre-nup... 🙂

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I received the LLL 50mm f1.2 ASPH today. Made with high quality, focuses smoothly. Mine is aluminum and weighs 440 grams. It draws very softly when open. Suitable for atmospheric portraits, similar to those shot with soft focus lenses or monocles. From aperture 2 it becomes sharp, even sharper than my Elcan, selected as the best of three copies. The pincushion distortion is a bit annoying. One of these days I’ll test it on the street, but for now a few shots from my home, taken on a Sony A7S. By following the link you can download a comparison with Elcan (shot on a Leica M10). Some of the shots in the test were blurry due to the long shutter speed, so I'm sorry. Link (143 Mb): https://disk.yandex.ru/d/ZBPghEA_CGMJew

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4 minutes ago, Snuff said:

I received the LLL 50mm f1.2 ASPH today...It draws very softly when open. Suitable for atmospheric portraits...From aperture 2 it becomes sharp, even sharper than my Elcan...The pincushion distortion is a bit annoying...

Thanks for posting your comments and pics, Snuff.

Would you be able to let us know - roughly - how much correction is needed to correct the pincusion distortion you mention? I like fast 50mm lenses which exhibit some 'character' when used at Max. Ap. but I really don't like pincushion distortion as a great deal of my snapping contains architectural (etc.) subject-matter. I can accept a small amount of image-loss through some correction and subsequent cropping but having to cope with more than a small amount would be out of the question.

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You need to add +10 in LR to correct distortion.

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I had the leica remake & distortion was by far the most pronounced out of all leica lenses, very noticeable. If you shoot digital the camera fixes it automatically, but I shoot film so I sold it right away. Given this is probably an even more accurate remake of the original (as they even produced the same glass) I'd assume it has the same annoying distortion

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LLL 50mm f1.2 ASPH (pics from the link I posted above):

f/1.2

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f/1.4

f/2

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f/4

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18 hours ago, Snuff said:

You need to add +10 in LR to correct distortion.

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That’s barrel distortion, a prized attribute of vintage anamorphic lenses…🤣

I use the LLL 50mm f1.2 “1966” as a taking lens with a Aivascope 1.5 anamorphic adapter it’s a hoot! 

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This picture with applied lens profile Leica Noctilux-M 50mm f1.2 ASPH. Works great. But I don't understand why LLL doesn't use lens coding. It could help a lot.

 

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Just for fun … LLL 50mm f1.2 “1966”, Aivascope 1.5 v3, Bloom Gold 1/8 diffusion filter, Sony fx6.

 

 

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My take, the LLL 50mm f1.2 “1966” is a clone of the original vintage lens, why not embrace its vintage character, which it has in spades?  

The lens, in reality, at f1.2 transmits less light than the current Summilux does at f1.4.  The f-stop is the result of a mathematical equation, and not it’s actual light transmission?
 

If one want straight and clean, there is always the Summilux 50 asp though it can be quirky too if allowed?

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4 hours ago, Snuff said:

This picture with applied lens profile Leica Noctilux-M 50mm f1.2 ASPH. Works great. But I don't understand why LLL doesn't use lens coding. It could help a lot.

I believe that Leica (understandably!) were slightly miffed by some 3rd party companies using their 'invention' and the practice was deemed a breach of copyright.

As it happens I have a pair of 7Artisan 50mm f1.1 from the early days and both of those are 6-bit coded as a Noctilux. Can't remember which version...

Thanks again for posting the photographs, Snuff. Yes; there is a hefty amount of Barrel - not to mention vignetting! - going on but I suppose if I expect that I'm going to be taking Architectural stuff I could simply have the v4 Summicron in the bag and use a LLL 50 f1.2 for Fits'n'Giggles?

Interesting proposition.

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Here is something worse than barrel distortion of the LLL 50/1.2 ASPH - the vignetting that can't even be removed completely in LR.

Also if you use filters (UV, MIST, ND) you will get additional vignetting. I don't like it at all.

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7 hours ago, Snuff said:

Here is something worse than barrel distortion of the LLL 50/1.2 ASPH - the vignetting that can't even be removed completely in LR.

Also if you use filters (UV, MIST, ND) you will get additional vignetting. I don't like it at all.

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Thanks for taking the time to do this, Snuff.

Yes; the vignetting was clearly something 'special' and was mentioned in my earlier post (#114) because it IS quite something! I would dearly like to see a similar 'Contact Print' type representation from both the original f1.2 Noctilux as well as that from the recent re-issue. To be honest I suspect there might not be too much of a difference...

I should have a studio-test look at how my 7A 50 f1.1 lenses perform. I do know for certain that there is extreme edge cut-off and some vignetting even when used 'naked' and I don't even think about using any filter or even any step-up ring with these lenses because the optical-design of the lens parameters seems to preclude anything being screwed onto the filter ring; anything whatsoever screwed-in will exacerbate vignetting. The filter-ring of the lens itself, I'm sure, causes vignetting!

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This lens (LLL 50/1.2) is reminiscent of soft focus lenses for large format photography. Softness at an open aperture is not a minus, but a clear advantage for artistic photography. This softness is not like the blurriness of bad lenses. It preserves the details of the image, covered with a silky veil. In the right hands, this lens will produce beautiful photographs.

Cooke PS945 soft focus lens: https://www.betterlight.com/soft_lens.html

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Light Lens Lab 50mm f1.2 ASPH + BPM 1/2.

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A couple more shots from the Light Lens Lab 50mm f1.2 ASPH + BPM 1/2 (also wide open). 

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