JulyLL Posted January 1, 2023 Share #1 Posted January 1, 2023 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi everyone So recently I fell in love with the wide shots from the Xpan and was wondering what is the best way to achieve this on my M11. From my understanding, the Xpan has an aspect ratio of 65:24. What should my resolution be if I'm shooting on a 35mm? I don't want to take multiple pictures and stitch them together on PS. I also saw a video that said a full-frame sensor just needs to shoot with 28mm, to get this look is that also correct? Edited January 1, 2023 by JulyLL 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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01af Posted January 1, 2023 Share #2 Posted January 1, 2023 vor 47 Minuten schrieb JulyLL: From my understanding, the XPan has an aspect ratio of 65:24. That's right. . vor 47 Minuten schrieb JulyLL: What should my resolution be if I'm shooting on a 35mm? When shooting the M11 at 60 MP and cropping to 65:24 aspect ratio (i. e. 13.29 × 36 mm format), you'd be left with 33.3 MP. To resemble the angles-of-view of the 30 mm, 45 mm, and 90 mm XPan lenses, on a 35-mm-format camera you'd need 17 mm, 25 mm, and 50 mm lenses, respectively (16 mm and 24 mm would be close enough). But then, in fact you can use any M lens — it is not really important to mimic the XPan lenses exactly. 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsonj Posted January 1, 2023 Share #3 Posted January 1, 2023 Also, if you use live view, turn on the 4x6 grids and use the middle 2 sections, it’ll give a reasonable approximation of what a wide angle would look like after cropping Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted January 1, 2023 Share #4 Posted January 1, 2023 (edited) I was just experimenting with a picture. The camera is a Sigma fp, so 6000x4000 pixels. After cropping the picture is 6000x2215 pixels. The maximum size for the LUF is 19.5 MB, and the cropped picture is 8.5 MB. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited January 1, 2023 by jankap 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/358756-hasselblad-xpan-aspect-ratio-on-lecia-m11/?do=findComment&comment=4624589'>More sharing options...
CDodkin Posted January 1, 2023 Share #5 Posted January 1, 2023 You'll end up with an image that's 9528 x 3518 pixels in size, starting with the original full sized file. X-Pan had several focal lengths - you can shoot which ever you find gets you the FOV you like, but wider generally get more of the cinematic feel of the original. Here with 35mm Summilux. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/358756-hasselblad-xpan-aspect-ratio-on-lecia-m11/?do=findComment&comment=4624687'>More sharing options...
Keith (M) Posted January 2, 2023 Share #6 Posted January 2, 2023 Interesting topic. Out of curiosity I just grabbed the first landscape taken with 21mm SEM (on M10M) I found in my library and changed the crop to the given 13.9 x 36 proportion. Might consider that for other landscapes in the future! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/358756-hasselblad-xpan-aspect-ratio-on-lecia-m11/?do=findComment&comment=4626029'>More sharing options...
robsonj Posted January 2, 2023 Share #7 Posted January 2, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 30 minutes ago, Keith (M) said: Interesting topic. Out of curiosity I just grabbed the first landscape taken with 21mm SEM (on M10M) I found in my library and changed the crop to the given 13.9 x 36 proportion. Might consider that for other landscapes in the future! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! It’s funny you mention the SEM. I have one of those arriving tomorrow as I to enjoy the wide angle aspect, it was what made me move from the m10r to the m11 - more pixels for better cropping the 2.7:1 aspect. I thought the SEM could be killer for this, looks like it is! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S Maclean Posted January 2, 2023 Share #8 Posted January 2, 2023 Here's another SE 21mm converted to 13.29X36 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/358756-hasselblad-xpan-aspect-ratio-on-lecia-m11/?do=findComment&comment=4626108'>More sharing options...
robsonj Posted January 2, 2023 Share #9 Posted January 2, 2023 A couple from yesterday with the M11+35lux. An interesting camera for this is actually the Sigma FP-L, it has a pretty wide crop available in camera of 21:9 and the ability to dial in a custom crop. I have one as my backpacking camera with the excellent Sigma primes. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/358756-hasselblad-xpan-aspect-ratio-on-lecia-m11/?do=findComment&comment=4626113'>More sharing options...
JulyLL Posted January 2, 2023 Author Share #10 Posted January 2, 2023 57 minutes ago, robsonj said: A couple from yesterday with the M11+35lux. An interesting camera for this is actually the Sigma FP-L, it has a pretty wide crop available in camera of 21:9 and the ability to dial in a custom crop. I have one as my backpacking camera with the excellent Sigma primes. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Love these shots can you show me 1 sample from M11 with 35mm and the other with the sigma Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsonj Posted January 2, 2023 Share #11 Posted January 2, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, JulyLL said: Love these shots can you show me 1 sample from M11 with 35mm and the other with the sigma I don't have many with the Sigma, just picked it up in prep for a backpacking trip in the summer, here are a few, these are actually shot with the little panny 20-60mm zoom, which might be what I take backpacking with it as it makes for a lighter setup, not all wide angles here, they're also not shot at 35mm, the barn shots are both at 60mm, the red store is at 27mm, so they may not be that useful to you... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited January 2, 2023 by robsonj 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/358756-hasselblad-xpan-aspect-ratio-on-lecia-m11/?do=findComment&comment=4626159'>More sharing options...
Anakronox Posted January 2, 2023 Share #12 Posted January 2, 2023 I know it’s off-topic but I’ve been experimenting with the SL2 and the Zeiss 25mm Biogon ZM. The SL2 has an in-camera crop mode of 3:1, so I can sorta frame it as I would an X-Pan and I’d have an almost exact frame as with the 45mm f/4. I’d love to see this added as an option to the M line with live view. Or like my Mamiya 7, have an external finder with the 2.7:1 lines. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S Maclean Posted January 2, 2023 Share #13 Posted January 2, 2023 Here's a little comparison. Originals shot with SEM 21mm. (added vignette) and I paste them here with the Crop discussed. It does change the character of the images considerably although I am not 100% sure of which is better. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/358756-hasselblad-xpan-aspect-ratio-on-lecia-m11/?do=findComment&comment=4626287'>More sharing options...
intangiblethings Posted January 3, 2023 Share #14 Posted January 3, 2023 The 13.29X36 looks better. It gets rid of the often uninteresting foreground of ground-level urban shots in my opinion. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
normie610 Posted January 3, 2023 Share #15 Posted January 3, 2023 The 65:24 ratio is one of my favourites. But I almost always use Fuji GFX100S for that ratio, since it does have the in-camera setting so it’s nice to see the viewfinder in an “actual” 65:24 format. That being said, I occasionally crop my M11 images to 65:24 and it yields 33.3 MP resolution (still plenty for a sizable print). Here’s a shot with M11 cropped to 65:24 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/358756-hasselblad-xpan-aspect-ratio-on-lecia-m11/?do=findComment&comment=4627775'>More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted January 5, 2023 Share #16 Posted January 5, 2023 I have a TX-1 (Fuji variant) and worked with it for a while around 2010. I liked the challenge of filling such a wide frame with activity. I was less interested in achieving a mysterious "cinematic" style. Didn't succeed often, but when this works out, the images are really striking: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! It's certainly true that you can use the 4x4 grid overlay to visualize this with an M-11 with liveview enabled, but the SL and SL-2s do it better with the 3:1 setting for Aspect ratio. You see the 3:1 while shooting, get a jpeg framed to match what you saw, and the whole DNG frame allows for corrections in framing as well as normal post processing options. Incidentally, Leica set up an S2 for Janos Koudelka to use when his Fuji 670 (a 120 film wideangle camera that predated the TX-1 and had a 3:1 aspect ratio) was damaged. He shot "The Wall" with it. I don't know if the 3:1 aspect ratio already existed or was created first for his use. 3 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! It's certainly true that you can use the 4x4 grid overlay to visualize this with an M-11 with liveview enabled, but the SL and SL-2s do it better with the 3:1 setting for Aspect ratio. You see the 3:1 while shooting, get a jpeg framed to match what you saw, and the whole DNG frame allows for corrections in framing as well as normal post processing options. Incidentally, Leica set up an S2 for Janos Koudelka to use when his Fuji 670 (a 120 film wideangle camera that predated the TX-1 and had a 3:1 aspect ratio) was damaged. He shot "The Wall" with it. I don't know if the 3:1 aspect ratio already existed or was created first for his use. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/358756-hasselblad-xpan-aspect-ratio-on-lecia-m11/?do=findComment&comment=4629645'>More sharing options...
CDodkin Posted January 5, 2023 Share #17 Posted January 5, 2023 Historically I shot this format first with the Fujifilm G617 medium format camera, and 120 film. This was a very manual experience, no AF, no metering, lots of thinking before you pressed the shutter as each shot took three frames of 120 film, and cost you $5 in film+processing! Still the results were well worth the effort, if not the cost! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/358756-hasselblad-xpan-aspect-ratio-on-lecia-m11/?do=findComment&comment=4629830'>More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted January 5, 2023 Share #18 Posted January 5, 2023 (edited) Small correction to my note just above (why can't I edit after 6 hours??). Fuji's camera was the G617 (and CDodkin is a user of that one). It was introduced in 1983, still sold into the 2010s. Manual focus, no rangefinder and fixed lens, with a spirit level that could be seen in the viewfinder (as did the Hasselblad Superwide). In the 1990s, Fuji introduced an interchangeable lens model GC617. Users objected that, since the shutter was in the lens, it was not possible to change lenses in the middle of a roll of 120 film. But a roll of 120 film gives only four exposures, so with today's "spray and pray" practices, only changing lenses every fourth shot doesn't seem like much of a problem. Only those who know the pleasures of roll film tank development would understand. Edited January 5, 2023 by scott kirkpatrick 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith (M) Posted January 6, 2023 Share #19 Posted January 6, 2023 (edited) Out of curiosity I just maltreated a D-Lux 7 .rwl file. Doesn't look too bad on-screen. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! And now back to your regular programme... Edited January 6, 2023 by Keith (M) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! And now back to your regular programme... ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/358756-hasselblad-xpan-aspect-ratio-on-lecia-m11/?do=findComment&comment=4630810'>More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted January 7, 2023 Share #20 Posted January 7, 2023 Of course, sometimes simple domestic scenes fit nicely into the 3:1 format: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Fuji TX-1 2009-11-07 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Fuji TX-1 2009-11-07 ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/358756-hasselblad-xpan-aspect-ratio-on-lecia-m11/?do=findComment&comment=4632030'>More sharing options...
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