50mm to Pair with Q2

[lifeandmylens]

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2 weeks away from having 2 kids under the age of 2.  Recently got a used Q2 and really enjoy it.  Got it because my M11 is getting harder to focus with my moving toddler.  

I'm looking for another body that I can use with a 50mm and maybe also a 90mm, but that are rather small, yet have great IQ.  So definitely no 50 Summilux SL!  Of course a Q250 would be great.  What's the next best option? CL, A7C, Fuji?

Edited December 23, 2022 by lifeandmylens

[bradhusick]

You might want to try a Sony RX100 or a Leica D-Lux.

[lifeandmylens]

16 minutes ago, bradhusick said:

You might want to try a Sony RX100 or a Leica D-Lux.

Thank you. I’ll look into the D-Lux. I’ve had the rx100 years ago and it was a little too small. I’m looking for an interchangeable lens body. 

[Le Chef]

The CL would be a perfect fit. Light, easy to use with M lenses, and a UI that mimics the Q2.

[LeicaKyu2]

Hm, if it wasn't for kids, I'd recommend the 40mm RICOH GR XIII but its autofocusing is quite slow. You can snap/zone focus however. 

[bobtodrick]

My son has a Fuji X-E2s.  Very quick A/F and compact...likely about 20% smaller than your M11.

This is a recent photo he took...the B&W is very good.

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[vedivv]

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Unfortunately, for small kids who constantly move, the Sony and Canon (perhaps Nikon) are only viable choices with longer lenses.  With young kids at closer distance, the AF element actually need to move a lot.  My Q2 focus rather slow for this particular application, but since DOF at 28 is not that shallow, it has worked well for me most of the time.  SL is faster for sure, but with Panasonic contrast detection AF, it is still slow for small kids (good enough for kids playing sport).  CL/TL are last generation and discontinued, and definitely not fast enough for kids.  Love Fuji, but unfortunately they are behind as well in the AF department.  

Still love my RX1.  Would be nice if Sony comes up with with a 50mm fixed prime lens camera that uses their latest AF technology.

[Simone_DF]

11 hours ago, lifeandmylens said:

2 weeks away from having 2 kids under the age of 2.  Recently got a used Q2 and really enjoy it.  Got it because my M11 is getting harder to focus with my moving toddler.  

I'm looking for another body that I can use with a 50mm and maybe also a 90mm, but that are rather small, yet have great IQ.  So definitely no 50 Summilux SL!  Of course a Q250 would be great.  What's the next best option? CL, A7C, Fuji?

If only Leica made a Q with a 50mm lens, right? 🙃 But the boomers on the forum says no, because who knows why.

Fuji XT5. As an alternative, a Sony A7III + the Sony/Zeiss 55mm is blazing fast and lightweight.

Forget the CL, autofocus is subpar.

[Qwertynm]

vor 5 Stunden schrieb vedivv:

Unfortunately, for small kids who constantly move, the Sony and Canon (perhaps Nikon) are only viable choices with longer lenses.

I agree with the first part of your sentence and don’t understand the second. I have many pictures shot in the last 18 months of our son with the Canon R5 and 35 1.4. The cameras AF system does not become worse with shorter lenses as far as I know. Or maybe I’m misunderstanding you. 
 

I‘d certainly consider a MILC from Sony, Canon, Nikon. Sony has the most mature lens offering while many prefer the haptics and colours of Canon. I don’t know anything about Nikon but the best thing you can do is go to a store and take every camera in your hands and try it out. At this point in camera time there is not much you can do wrong with any of these aforementioned systems. Good luck and congrats on the twins. 

Edited December 24, 2022 by Qwertynm

[ianforber]

Heresy I know but what about using an iPhone (or other phone) when they are dashing about? Then use the Q2 and M11 when they are sitting exhausted on the sofa? I don’t have kids so ignore me if that’s a stupid suggestion. 

[Qwertynm]

We just received little printed desk calenders with pictures of our son and family on them to give away as christmasgifts to grandparents, aunts and so on. I’m sad about every pic my wife took with her phone instead of one of my cameras. The quality is ok in good light but even in this this tiny format (smaller than 4 by 6“) the quality of the iPhone is shite…

[Farrell Gallery]

7 hours ago, Simone_DF said:

If only Leica made a Q with a 50mm lens, right? 🙃 But the boomers on the forum says no, because who knows why.

Fuji XT5. As an alternative, a Sony A7III + the Sony/Zeiss 55mm is blazing fast and lightweight.

Forget the CL, autofocus is subpar.

What about the SL series, if you like the interface and size? But yeah, Fujis are great too

 

Edited December 24, 2022 by Farrell Gallery

[LondonL]

Yep, the M is no good for fast moving kids.

I use the Q-P and Canon RP with 50mm 1.8 for documenting my family. 

[lencap]

I agree with ianforber.  My iPhone 14 Pro is surprisingly capable.  Plenty of reviews on the net if you want details.  In real world use it's hard to beat.  Equivalent of 24-75mm focal length, and can zoom farther with the electronic lens.  You can easily process the images in the Apple ecosystem (or port them to third party options), and have very acceptable stills and video images that can be sent anywhere in seconds.  The iPhone uses the newest computational algos for image processing.  Some prefer a more traditional approach, but I believe computational imaging is the future, and Apple does it very well.  In fact you can argue that Leica uses a form of it as well in the Q camera line, automatically correcting lens distortion for a better image.  The SL platform does as well, extending the correction to L mount lenses.    

Third party apps, like Halide, provide far more manual control than Apple's interface, and there are easy exports to LR/PS and other processing tools.  Best of all the camera is with you all the time, weights a bit over 8 ounces and backups to the cloud, if you want, automatically making on phone storage a non-issue.  All of that costs $999, and for that you also have a top quality phone/internet access and an unlimited suite of apps.

DXOmark reviewed the phone and found it to have the best bokeh, video and still image preview of any phone, with an overall rating of 146.  As a comparison the Leica M11 overall rating is 100 (somewhat different criteria), and it get a very high sensor rating.  The Q2 rating is 96, also getting a high rating on the sensor.  

The full DXO iPhone 14 Pro review is here: https://www.dxomark.com/smartphones/Apple/iPhone-14-Pro

I'm not suggesting we all sell our Leica gear and buy an iPhone, but for the use you cite the iPhone may be one of the better alternatives, especially with the upgraded 48MP sensor that, like the M11, can bin pixels for lower resolution images with better low light capability.  

 

Edited December 24, 2022 by lencap

[Simone_DF]

3 hours ago, Farrell Gallery said:

What about the SL series, if you like the interface and size? But yeah, Fujis are great too

 

I do have a SL2s, but the OP is asking for a small camera

[liggy]

The Sony 50 1.2 is a razor sharp tool with great af but not exactly small.  My favorite 50mm small equivalent lens/body is the Fuji X-T5 with the old 35 1.4 lens.  Small and really pleasing.  Nice little carry-around lens.   

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[Farrell Gallery]

5 hours ago, Simone_DF said:

I do have a SL2s, but the OP is asking for a small camera

Ah! Good catch.....agreed, the SL is not small haha. 

[huwm]

I occasionally take my Lumix S5 rather than SL2 when carrying Q2 and want 70-300mm just in case

Reasonable size

Edited December 25, 2022 by huwm
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[DenverSteve]

Actually, If you are good with another system, you can't go wrong with the A7C.  However, contrary, I (like many other pros) use the CL for extensive professional work and I would highly recommend that to keep you in the Leica fold. The best benefit is that you can use your M-mount lenses with it.  I find no issues with the autofocus.  Beyond those two, almost any/every camera available today will suit your needs to shoot your family.  

Howver, and unfortunately, it's just the modern generation(s) who believe that the M, or manual-focus in general, isn't suitable for..... X? Professional motorsports, football basketball, family photos............... have all been done with manual-focus equipment for around 100 years. If you want another camera for your bag, that's certainly understandable. However, those thinking that you can't do what you want without autofocus are incorrect.  Unless your kids are different than those that came before them, you would be fine.  

 

Edited December 26, 2022 by DenverSteve

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[DenverSteve]

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Edited December 26, 2022 by DenverSteve