c.chryss Posted October 15, 2007 Author Share #61 Posted October 15, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Ok... there is no point to argue with pros for advertising. That's the way it is. But... I believe in film. And YOU are the only ones that can keep it alive. You, the pros. You and only you can strive for quality. Common people use digital for the convenience. They don't care. If film dies, you are the responsibles. If film survives, you are the responsibles. The future of film is judged by your choices. I for one, will choose pros who use film for my job... maybe I am too romantic. But I will make my small crusade! So... Who's with me? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 15, 2007 Posted October 15, 2007 Hi c.chryss, Take a look here I sold all my digital cameras for film!. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jimcollum Posted October 15, 2007 Share #62 Posted October 15, 2007 You and only you can strive for quality. Common people use digital for the convenience. They don't care. that's a very general statement, and also insulting to a lot of people. I use both film and digital (in a professional way)... so do i not care half the time? am i common (huh?) when i pull out my digital camera, and .. whatever the opposite is.. when i shoot film? and without even seeing my work, you've classified it as lacking in quality (ok. only half of it). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted October 15, 2007 Share #63 Posted October 15, 2007 I for one, will choose pros who use film for my job... maybe I am too romantic. But I will make my small crusade! So... Who's with me? Only if you go all the way and shoot with a beam splitter three shot camera and make dye transfer or carbro prints. (That's what my old prefessor Robert Bagby used to use.) Integral tripacks are just a crutch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted October 15, 2007 Share #64 Posted October 15, 2007 I for one, will choose pros who use film for my job... maybe I am too romantic. But I will make my small crusade! So... Who's with me? Well, it sounds like you aren't choosing ANY photographers, film or no film, so what's the point here? If your client likes the images you've been doing in-house, well then you just saved your agency and client a lot of $. I will always to continue to use film for the images that mean the most to me. That usually means personal book projects, travel, and some special editorial. Some clients insist on digital, and some jobs, because of budget, I'd be crazy not to shoot on digital. But some clients will still request film and sometimes I will shoot on film even if it comes out of my own budget for the project because I know it will be the best way to shoot it and the subject is special beyond just the assignment at hand. But the only way I can make this possible is by owning an Imacon film scanner so I can deliver finished digital files. Honestly, I think it's the amateurs that are getting the raw deal with digital. Film in a cheap p&s is so much more forgiving than a digital sensor. But I also don't miss the enviromental and health impact of darkroom technology, one of the reasons I sold mine for good earlier this year. Lots of good reasons out there fo both technologies. Personally, I think the best artistic images will still be shot on film for a time to come (go to the photo book section of the bookstore and have a look and you will see what I mean) but that is slowly changing. Certain cameras will always maintain a unique look (like the Rollei TLRs) that will be set apart from the legions of Canon dslrs, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted October 16, 2007 Share #65 Posted October 16, 2007 What a load of shit............... Whoever started this thread is either fishing or a pissed off employee (maybe ex employee). If I was Toyota I would be on the phone to the so called agency asking for a please explain the actions of your employee!!!!!!!!!! Talk about unprofessional and niave at the same time......... these ads are crap, I wouldn't pay for them............. blame the photographers for working for the B grade agency, that is if it really exists................ some of the best drivel on LUF for a while, but that seems to reflectsome of the posters of late...] My sentiments entirely: as I said on the first page of this misbegotten thread: this is a silly thread and the OP is spouting pure nonsense — sophomoric as best and purely ignorant at best. She also doesn't listen to what people say, but reacts with the same drivel. The ads themselves are awful: speaking of not paying the photographer, why pay the ad agency for this? The emperor has no clothes! —Mitch/Paris http://www.flickr.com/photos/10268776@N00/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
c.chryss Posted October 16, 2007 Author Share #66 Posted October 16, 2007 This forum gets really friendly. I wanted this thread to be more than "I love my mp"... I brought up a subject with some meaning but... it got really mean! So I guess I should stop writting and get out and take some photos. After all, that's why we're here! Sorry everyone if I offended you in some way. Be happy, protect your craft, goodbye! c.c. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted October 16, 2007 Share #67 Posted October 16, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) ..... so catherine you never showed us the good oil you produce!!!!!!!!!!!............. ...............or is it a matter of waiting for,,,,,. I brought up a subject with some meaning but...,,,,,,,,,,, misguided type..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted October 16, 2007 Share #68 Posted October 16, 2007 Hmmm sad about the way the thread turned-out. I'd just like to say that maybe Catherine's point-of-view was a little extreme - but possibly as a new contributor we could've shown her a little more courtesy and patience. As far as film vs digital in advertising is concerned - we work 100% exclusively with digital photographers these days, there really is no other realistic way for us, and I actually wouldn't want it any other way. When we're on-set with the photographer and models and a real MASS of other people (a shoot in the Spring this year in Barcelona had over 100 people attending in various roles), then it's not only necessary, it's IMPERATIVE that the Art Directors and clients can instantly see what's happening on screens tethered to the cameras. Furthermore, at this shoot for instance, retouchers set to work straight away to do mock-ups of the final concepts - roughs that put the models in an approximation of the final output, so that the client and ADs could discuss the direction. There really is a big difference between a good digital photographer and a poor one - so there's no danger in my mind to the profession in going over to digital - it's just a fact of life. When I talk about my preference for film, I'm talking purely about the artistic or amateur photographer: I think that the process itself is more satisfying, and that the final result is often the product of more consideration and thought than the hastily shot and Photoshop-fixed digital capture. However, if I were making a living from photography myself, the only way I would go would be digital (though I very much doubt that would be with an M8 incidentally). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted October 16, 2007 Share #69 Posted October 16, 2007 New to this forum isnt new to on line. Extreme points of view maybe got a reaction. Imants did you hang on to either the bat or the ball ar did she shovel off with both? Hang on I'm not a prostitute I'm not allowed to commment..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted October 16, 2007 Share #70 Posted October 16, 2007 ...nahh it was six and out and she didn't come back when she jumped the fence to get the ball.,,,,,,,,,,,,,, mani refused to bat and stayed in the slips. Mitch: opened the batting but ran out of partners. Someone's gotta buy Cleopatra's mate some new pens, but we do have AlanG on trumpet........... ............so the team is intact waiting for the next move,,,,,, coach ( for those that forgot, Rob's our caretaker coach while our Dutch dentist:p is on holidays) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted October 16, 2007 Share #71 Posted October 16, 2007 Too much amalgum under the bridge there I think. Wonder where his 24asper went? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Antony Posted October 16, 2007 Share #72 Posted October 16, 2007 . Someone's gotta buy Cleopatra's mate some new pens, Actually my wife is called Octavia, when we first realised the history we laughed– the long winter nights just fly by... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted October 16, 2007 Share #73 Posted October 16, 2007 Right from the beginning, I thought it was probably pointless to make a post on this. But sometimes I feel obligated to defend the photography profession. While I thought I may have made a few valid points, they didn't elicit any acknowledgement in her responses. So it likely was just a waste of my time. I will say that I have nothing against film. But after using it for more than 40 years (I was a kid), digital is a nice change for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
POKO Posted October 18, 2007 Share #74 Posted October 18, 2007 I am talking about professional photographers and not amateurs. In the advertising company I work, we had made already a dozen of print ads in-house with zero cost for us, when photographers for the same digital result were asking 6.000 to 9.000 euros!!!! They won't get them! The "mysterious black box" that photographers had, is now lost since everyone has a sensor behind it... even my mom can take a wonderful photo out of 1 giga of photos!!! If you let a monkey take 500 digital photos, at least one could be equal to Bresson! And what a silly quote you made. Could you have the same Ansel Adams results with digital? Try to defend your hard work's craft and not the ease of use a digital offers. c.chryss P.S. It will be a thrilling thread! Moron. (or perhaps I am for joining such a foolish venture so late in the game, but I am bored and boredom does strange things sometimes...) No, not thrilling, it's an idiotic thread. If you think that the technology is the important part, then you are truly an idiot. Ten photographers with ten MP’s will produce ten different levels of imagery - as they would with M8's. The gear doesn’t mean shit. When I get paid to shoot commercially, I am not getting paid for the technology that I am working with, I am getting paid for my sensibilities, which can not be copied. It is the end result that matters to the viewer, the process only matters to the maker of the work. Perhaps you are being paid for the computer that you are doing your layouts on? Or, perhaps for the paper your doodles are made on? Or perhaps the broom you are sweeping the floor with? And the arrogance, or more appropriately, stupidity of thinking that the 500 crap images that you ( and apparently your mother ) pump out will somehow rival Bressons work, well...photography goes far beyond being able to properly focus, get the colors "right" or expose an image correctly. And thank you for saying that you are producing your own in house photography for your own ads. Now I know why the production value of so many ads that I see is so piss poor. People who think they know how to make photographs doing the work themselves because they have account people telling their clients that they can do it in house and save some money. Now, I have friends who are creative directors for multi national agencies who have shot their own ads that Kicked Ass, not because it was on film or digital, but because it was well done by smart and creative people. Perhaps you should start working with some real photographers and photography (and pay real rates for it) and you might change your mind. Then again, you may just be a troll looking for some fun. Well, here it is...although when it comes down to it, you're not really equipped to argue this on any level whether it has to do with film, digital, personal or commercial work. Good for you for shooting film. Now, be like one of my close friends and sacrifice EVERYTHING to learn how to produce carbro prints. Give it twelve years of your life before you feel like you have made a good print. Learn how to make them from scratch using nine different layers of color being applied by hand spending four days to make a single print. Get used to a HUGE loss rate due to the complexity of the process. Then make it constant. I have the good fortune of having one of the best printers in the world as a close friend, and there is never a discussion about the medium beyond it's appropriateness to the subject matter. The prints he makes are by far the most beautiful photographic prints I have ever seen. But you, well, you can do the same by simply taking 500 images. Wow. Just another looser troll...most likely with a false identity...jumping ship before it gets good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted October 18, 2007 Share #75 Posted October 18, 2007 Well thats harsh:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent10D Posted October 18, 2007 Share #76 Posted October 18, 2007 But not entirely unwarranted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted October 18, 2007 Share #77 Posted October 18, 2007 I'd be happy if people just stopped calling my camera an 'analogue'. My wristwatch doesnt rely on an analogue signal either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted October 18, 2007 Share #78 Posted October 18, 2007 But not entirely unwarranted. You cant deny the whole thing isnt entertaining:rolleyes: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgcd Posted October 18, 2007 Share #79 Posted October 18, 2007 After looking at some of the exchanges on this thread, no wonder women don't stick around... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted October 18, 2007 Share #80 Posted October 18, 2007 What's with the sexism Conrad??.....or is this part of the big picture of squabble land Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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