Can someone please explain to me what this is for?

[69xchange]

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9 hours ago, lmans said:

How come between 16 and 17 you have no space...looks like the film wasn't advanced all the way and the two almost overlapped but didn't...just no space in between shots. Look at 17 and 18, where there is space... ? 

My brand new leica MP from 2021 has spacing issues. 

[fotomas]

Maybe the scratches are a feature, that one can tell that you used a new M6 instead of a cheap old one 😉

[Huss]

I’ve been through the rf cameras from Canon, Nikon, Bessa and Zeiss ZM, and none compare to a properly working M.

Which is why I stick with Ms and work through issues.

I still occasionally use an Agfa Optima 1535.  Great lens and just such a cool design!  But this is more of a novelty thing.

[Matlock]

43 minutes ago, Huss said:

I still occasionally use an Agfa Optima 1535.  Great lens and just such a cool design!  But this is more of a novelty thing.

I won one of those in a competition and eventually sold it, great camera.

[Anbaric]

Clearly it's a feature. Lesser cameras may give scratch-free images, but Leica's philosophy is different:

https://leica-camera.com/en-GB/stories/joe-greer-beauty-imperfection

'"Film is packed with small imperfections, just like life." Due to the chemical nature of film, analog has a different look than digital. Joe sees these small imperfections as an important part of the journey, adding to the beauty of his images.'

I expect each camera gives a unique pattern of scratches, carefully contrived by Leica's artisans to complement the individual vision of the photographer. Users of inferior systems may be content with sterile, unblemished negatives, but Leica photographers take a more holistic view, embracing the imperfections of the medium.

#Be Original, Be Leica

 

[lmans]

9 hours ago, Anbaric said:

Clearly it's a feature. Lesser cameras may give scratch-free images, but Leica's philosophy is different:

https://leica-camera.com/en-GB/stories/joe-greer-beauty-imperfection

'"Film is packed with small imperfections, just like life." Due to the chemical nature of film, analog has a different look than digital. Joe sees these small imperfections as an important part of the journey, adding to the beauty of his images.'

I expect each camera gives a unique pattern of scratches, carefully contrived by Leica's artisans to complement the individual vision of the photographer. Users of inferior systems may be content with sterile, unblemished negatives, but Leica photographers take a more holistic view, embracing the imperfections of the medium.

#Be Original, Be Leica

 

Love the approach…. Believe in it.

Just like old typewriters where you could match up any typewriter to the imperfections in the keys. 
 

yet… if the imperfections dominates all images…..well…. I can see an issue.

[logan2z]

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I think I'd feel better if Leica products were meticulously examined by experienced professionals at every stage of production.   'Several' apparently doesn't cut it.  

[Huss]

56 minutes ago, logan2z said:

I think I'd feel better if Leica products were meticulously examined by experienced professionals at every stage of production.   'Several' apparently doesn't cut it.  

To be fair, Leica does not explicitly say what profession these individuals are experienced at.

[Huss]

(If Leica NJ is reading this - I love you guys!  You know I'm kidding, right?  Puhleeeeeeze fix my camera!)

[logan2z]

31 minutes ago, Huss said:

To be fair, Leica does not explicitly say what profession these individuals are experienced at.

True

[jaapv]

Quality Control - the old bone of contention... With robot-assembled products it is simple - you ull one in thousand off the belt and test it to destruction. If there is something wrong you address the problem in the production run. With humans assembling products it is different - They make random errors, so each and every piece and step must be checked and it must be done without destroying the product. So you have inspectors inspecting - and they are human too, cannot see everything and they do make mistakes. So ideally you should have inspectors supervising the work of the inspectors - and so on. 

Which all boils down to: quality control on  a hand assembled product can never be as consistent as it is on a mechanically produced item. Leica tries - but can never reach 100%. 

Not an excuse - an explanation.

[Huss]

1 hour ago, jaapv said:

Quality Control - the old bone of contention... With robot-assembled products it is simple - you ull one in thousand off the belt and test it to destruction. If there is something wrong you address the problem in the production run. With humans assembling products it is different - They make random errors, so each and every piece and step must be checked and it must be done without destroying the product. So you have inspectors inspecting - and they are human too, cannot see everything and they do make mistakes. So ideally you should have inspectors supervising the work of the inspectors - and so on. 

Which all boils down to: quality control on  a hand assembled product can never be as consistent as it is on a mechanically produced item. Leica tries - but can never reach 100%. 

Not an excuse - an explanation.

Yeah but they are kinda bragging with those little cards they pack with the gear..  I mean that raises expectations a wee bit.  Perhaps they should change the verbiage?

My suggestion:

Was: "This Leica product was meticulously examined by experienced professionals at several stages of production"

To: "Please enjoy your Leica product. We hope it meets your expectations, but please understand that like you, we have our good days and our bad days."

[Herr Barnack]

@Huss  What you have is the extremely rare M6 Reverse Correspondent. 

The 2015 vintage Leica M-P 240 Lenny Kravitz Edition “Correspondent” Special Edition came from Leica pre-worn on the outside.  Your M6 Reverse Correspondent is pre-worn on the inside, resulting in the distinctive film scratching fingerprint. 

The card in question is the certificate of authenticity, verifying the unique scratching pattern that your camera produces on the film.

What a stroke of luck - this rare special edition is worth millions!!

Edited December 21, 2022 by Herr Barnack