Huss Posted February 8, 2023 Share #681 Posted February 8, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 3 hours ago, archive_all said: Still kinda pricey. I'll stick to Fuji that I can buy locally ($27/3 pack) until I can find Kodak under $10/roll or until Fuji is more than $10/roll then maybe switch back to Kodak. It is a very different film than Fuji C200 - which I use all the time. It’s nice having this option for a very fine grain ISO 100 film. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jonnyc Posted February 8, 2023 Share #682 Posted February 8, 2023 I got two rolls developed today. Thought the issue was gone when scanning the first roll (Portra 800). There were no scratches at all aside from the last two frames. I haven’t scanned the second roll (Cinestill 800T) yet but I can see scratches on it. Weird that the issue went away and then came back. Not sure what I should do at this point… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mute-on Posted February 8, 2023 Share #683 Posted February 8, 2023 37 minutes ago, jonnyc said: I got two rolls developed today. Thought the issue was gone when scanning the first roll (Portra 800). There were no scratches at all aside from the last two frames. I haven’t scanned the second roll (Cinestill 800T) yet but I can see scratches on it. Weird that the issue went away and then came back. Not sure what I should do at this point… Your problem here is that you haven’t, and can’t, control for what your photo lab has done in developing the film. If you got a no-scratch result, at least that should be repeatable. Furthermore, if your scratches aren’t affecting results, you might have a way to live with the intermittent issue. If they are, you should at least try a few different labs, or even better, home develop. Sorry I can’t offer much more. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted February 8, 2023 Share #684 Posted February 8, 2023 42 minutes ago, jonnyc said: I got two rolls developed today. Thought the issue was gone when scanning the first roll (Portra 800). There were no scratches at all aside from the last two frames. I haven’t scanned the second roll (Cinestill 800T) yet but I can see scratches on it. Weird that the issue went away and then came back. Not sure what I should do at this point… Developed by you or a lab? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjxism Posted February 8, 2023 Share #685 Posted February 8, 2023 2 hours ago, jonnyc said: I got two rolls developed today. Thought the issue was gone when scanning the first roll (Portra 800). There were no scratches at all aside from the last two frames. I haven’t scanned the second roll (Cinestill 800T) yet but I can see scratches on it. Weird that the issue went away and then came back. Not sure what I should do at this point… You can actually check the negative to confirm if there are any scratches. While I use DSLR to scan the films, the scratches are less noticeable. While using a film scanner (Plustek 8200i, scan as DNG and convert in LR with NPL), the scratches are very pronounced. While getting them scanned by a lab, the lab always removes the scratch (I think it's a embedded function of the frontier or noritsu scanner they use). Anyway, the scratches are visible on all the negatives and they do not go away after 3 years' of use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyc Posted February 8, 2023 Share #686 Posted February 8, 2023 7 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said: Developed by you or a lab? Developed by a lab. I’ll try a different lab to rule it out but they were aware of the scratches from last time and made an effort to develop it in a different processor. 5 hours ago, tjxism said: You can actually check the negative to confirm if there are any scratches. While I use DSLR to scan the films, the scratches are less noticeable. While using a film scanner (Plustek 8200i, scan as DNG and convert in LR with NPL), the scratches are very pronounced. While getting them scanned by a lab, the lab always removes the scratch (I think it's a embedded function of the frontier or noritsu scanner they use). Anyway, the scratches are visible on all the negatives and they do not go away after 3 years' of use. I’m using a Plustek 8200i. Agree that it’s pretty pronounced in scans. I tried using the infrared removal option but it doesn’t make a big difference. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
28framelines Posted February 8, 2023 Share #687 Posted February 8, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) A bit of news as an update from Tim, at Leica: They are closely monitoring the situation on these forums related to new film M’s scratching film now, and they are looking into what could be causing the issue across multiple bodies. To those who have written in, thank you for also doing so. It seems if you write in to them, they take it seriously. Delays in communication from them back to me sounds like it was caused because they have been discussing on their end. 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikep996 Posted February 8, 2023 Share #688 Posted February 8, 2023 It's nice that they are responding. It's obviously not as easy to figure out as people like me think it would be. Also, based on some posts here, there are cases where the scratches appear sometimes but not always or on one part of the roll but not another. Something that is inconsistent or intermittent is the most difficult of all problems to troubleshoot/repair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjxism Posted February 8, 2023 Share #689 Posted February 8, 2023 43 minutes ago, jonnyc said: Developed by a lab. I’ll try a different lab to rule it out but they were aware of the scratches from last time and made an effort to develop it in a different processor. I’m using a Plustek 8200i. Agree that it’s pretty pronounced in scans. I tried using the infrared removal option but it doesn’t make a big difference. OMG, I feel for you. I got my MP during COVID and never got the chance to ship it back to Germany for repair. My MP is the last batch of a la carte (all black without any logo) so I can’t get any replacement. I lived with the scratches for 3 years. To “unsee” the scratches, I even got myself a DSLR scanning kit and a decent DSLR only for neg scanning. I only recently realized how ridiculous I was and decided to ship my MP back to Leica. You can test shooting through a cheap roll of film (if it still exist), take out the film without developing, the scratches should be visible with bare eyes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
archive_all Posted February 8, 2023 Share #690 Posted February 8, 2023 1 hour ago, jonnyc said: Developed by a lab. I’ll try a different lab to rule it out but they were aware of the scratches from last time and made an effort to develop it in a different processor. I’m using a Plustek 8200i. Agree that it’s pretty pronounced in scans. I tried using the infrared removal option but it doesn’t make a big difference. That's a bummer. If you're up for home developing you can gain some control over the process. For the record I have scratched negatived depending on my handling habits but obviously this is a major on going issue with some of the new cameras. However, it could still be the lab in your case so it's worth trying a different one or getting some equipment to try developing at home. It sounds like it's bad enough it's showing on scans which is the real problem. I think some micro scratches that don't show up with ICE off wouldn't be an issue for most. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted February 8, 2023 Share #691 Posted February 8, 2023 9 hours ago, jonnyc said: I got two rolls developed today. Thought the issue was gone when scanning the first roll (Portra 800). There were no scratches at all aside from the last two frames. I haven’t scanned the second roll (Cinestill 800T) yet but I can see scratches on it. Weird that the issue went away and then came back. Not sure what I should do at this point… You need to waste a roll of film and run it through the camera to rule out the lab being the problem. Just put in a roll, shoot all the shots, rewind it, crack open the canister and look! 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
archive_all Posted February 8, 2023 Share #692 Posted February 8, 2023 10 hours ago, Huss said: It is a very different film than Fuji C200 - which I use all the time. It’s nice having this option for a very fine grain ISO 100 film. Totally agree that options are always good. This sent me on a search to find some bulk rolls. The price breakdown for 100 ft. is $9-10 roll under the Santacolor brand. So a little savings but maybe not worthwhile compared with the $11/roll from Popho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted February 8, 2023 Share #693 Posted February 8, 2023 1 hour ago, archive_all said: Totally agree that options are always good. This sent me on a search to find some bulk rolls. The price breakdown for 100 ft. is $9-10 roll under the Santacolor brand. So a little savings but maybe not worthwhile compared with the $11/roll from Popho. I don't mind paying a little extra for the convenience of having nice 36 exp rolls ready to go! Plus I only really want 5-10 rolls of the stuff every 6 months or so as I use so much other film. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
logan2z Posted February 8, 2023 Share #694 Posted February 8, 2023 1 hour ago, hdmesa said: crack open the canister and look! You could also stop rewinding when you hear the film come out of the takeup area (or tension on the rewind knob is released) so that the leader doesn't disappear into the canister. Then you can avoid destroying the canister and can reuse the roll for future tests. You could also use a film picker but those are a bit of a pain. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted February 8, 2023 Share #695 Posted February 8, 2023 Exactly! Do as others have mentioned above. Feed a roll of film through the camera, rewind it, then pull it out of the canister to check for scratches. It is much easier to see scratches on undeveloped film as it is uniform and opaque. This also removes the lab as a source of scratching as they did not get the film! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Ricoh Posted February 8, 2023 Share #696 Posted February 8, 2023 21 minutes ago, Huss said: Exactly! Do as others have mentioned above. Feed a roll of film through the camera, rewind it, then pull it out of the canister to check for scratches. It is much easier to see scratches on undeveloped film as it is uniform and opaque. This also removes the lab as a source of scratching as they did not get the film! Is this why Leica provide a roll of film with all new film cameras?! Saves on quality control, let the customer do it for you. (Only joking, Leica HQ. 😉) 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted February 8, 2023 Share #697 Posted February 8, 2023 18 minutes ago, Steve Ricoh said: Is this why Leica provide a roll of film with all new film cameras?! Saves on quality control, let the customer do it for you. (Only joking, Leica HQ. 😉) They don't w the M6.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckySquirrel Posted February 8, 2023 Share #698 Posted February 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, Huss said: They don't w the M6.... I didn't get a free roll in either of the MPs that were sent to me either haha. Going to make a post on the Shueido repaint impressions so as not to detract from the scratching conversation here, but I fed a roll through the M2 and the film looked blessedly scratch-free! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Ricoh Posted February 8, 2023 Share #699 Posted February 8, 2023 29 minutes ago, Huss said: They don't w the M6.... That’s the QC out of the window. Problem solved! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Ricoh Posted February 8, 2023 Share #700 Posted February 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Al Brown said: They do, but you'd have to spent at least 20K and be very quick. A roll of Tri-X 400 was included in the M-A "Titan" box.https://www.leicastoresf.com/images/page/Leica-M_A-TitanL10100183.jpg That’s very generous of them! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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