New M11 owner with a shutter question.

[itsmebanky]

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I recently picked up an m11 and only recently was able to take it for a spin this weekend. 

I also own an m10p as my point of reference. 

I have the m11 shutter setting set to hybrid. When I fully press the shutter button, there are two alternating sounds for each press. 

Drive mode set to low speed but used mostly as single shot and has the latest firmware 

sequences starts:

Single Shot 1: shutter makes like a double noise (I imagine open sound and closed sound) it feels like it’s audible for 2 seconds 

Single Shot 2: shutter makes a quicker sound like there is only one movement (I imagine either an open or a close) this feels like the sound is half the previous shutter click  

Single Shot 3: shutter sound lasts for 2 seconds

Single Shot 4: shutter sound lasts 1 second

This continues to alternate. None of my shots are blurry on the longer sounding shutter. But my mind keeps telling me to stay still until the sound is completely done or risk some kind of blur. 

Anyone have this experience? If so, what is happening?

For reference, my M10P lives in low speed mode and the shutter sound is consistent always. 

thanks for any help!

Edited November 15, 2022 by itsmebanky

[DenverSteve]

What you are probably hearing is the result of the shutter being open for live-view.  When you take a picture, the shutter has to close, then shutter opens and closes again to record the exposure.  Therefore, you hear what almost sounds like two shutters firing.  Just the way it is. 

[Jewl]

vor einer Stunde schrieb DenverSteve:

What you are probably hearing is the result of the shutter being open for live-view.  When you take a picture, the shutter has to close, then shutter opens and closes again to record the exposure.  Therefore, you hear what almost sounds like two shutters firing.  Just the way it is. 

No it sounds like the shutter is opening half way once again even though you are only taking one shot! Idk why this is or whether this is required to be ready if you take a couple of shots in a row... But sounds very weird tbh. Have deactivated it for that reason! (back to single shot mode)

[Keith (M)]

I have my M11 shutter set to hybrid mode and single shot.  Just tried it in low speed mode, taking single shots and for each one of four the shutter sound was identical i.e same as taking a photo in single shot mode.

[Jewl]

vor 45 Minuten schrieb Keith (M):

I have my M11 shutter set to hybrid mode and single shot.  Just tried it in low speed mode, taking single shots and for each one of four the shutter sound was identical i.e same as taking a photo in single shot mode.

You need to set the drive mode to "Continuous - Low Speed" then you understand what the topic opener meant 🙂 

[Keith (M)]

33 minutes ago, Jewl said:

You need to set the drive mode to "Continuous - Low Speed" then you understand what the topic opener meant 🙂 

Which is exactly what I did - as in set to "low speed mode".  Yes, I omitted the word "continuous" but given the post to which I was responding and as there is only one "low speed mode", the word "continuous" seemed superfluous in this instance.

[Jewl]

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vor einer Stunde schrieb Keith (M):

Which is exactly what I did - as in set to "low speed mode".  Yes, I omitted the word "continuous" but given the post to which I was responding and as there is only one "low speed mode", the word "continuous" seemed superfluous in this instance.

It seems I missed that Just read "single shot"... Nevermind.

[itsmebanky]

2 hours ago, Keith (M) said:

I have my M11 shutter set to hybrid mode and single shot.  Just tried it in low speed mode, taking single shots and for each one of four the shutter sound was identical i.e same as taking a photo in single shot mode.

 

Given that we are using the same settings in this scenario and I am having a different result, should I be worried? Anything you think I should do or check differently?

 

 

8 hours ago, Jewl said:

No it sounds like the shutter is opening half way once again even though you are only taking one shot! Idk why this is or whether this is required to be ready if you take a couple of shots in a row... But sounds very weird tbh. Have deactivated it for that reason! (back to single shot mode)

 

I assume you are experiencing the same thing as I am?

[itsmebanky]

10 hours ago, DenverSteve said:

What you are probably hearing is the result of the shutter being open for live-view.  When you take a picture, the shutter has to close, then shutter opens and closes again to record the exposure.  Therefore, you hear what almost sounds like two shutters firing.  Just the way it is. 

I guess the reason I'm confused is because currently, for every other click, the sounds are different. alternating between a long shutter click sound and a short shutter click sound. It's as if the shutter behavior is different for every other shot. 

if a single shutter click cycle was close > open > close then that should be true for all clicks, not every other click.

 

[DenverSteve]

I agree.  If I were you, I would hop on the train, take the hour-long ride to London and pop in to the Mayfair Leica store and see what they have to say on the matter.  However, before that, I would do a reset of all settings and see if that resolves the situation.  Great excuse to do some shooting in London which is always fun. 

[Crem]

45 minutes ago, itsmebanky said:

I guess the reason I'm confused is because currently, for every other click, the sounds are different. alternating between a long shutter click sound and a short shutter click sound. It's as if the shutter behavior is different for every other shot. 

if a single shutter click cycle was close > open > close then that should be true for all clicks, not every other click.

 

Have you tried to reproduce it without a lens on? I would think without a lens and a one second shutter speed you could visually see what is happening. If not, maybe try recording it with the slow motion setting with a cell phone's video camera. It sounds like everything is working correctly, but you could then send the video to Leica customer care to double check it. My best guess is everything is ok as I think I've heard what you are experiencing with continuous low. Most of the time I'm in single shot so I didn't bother to investigate any further.

[lct]

Does it sound like this?

 

 

Edited November 15, 2022 by lct

[matted]

I just did a quick test and am hearing the same thing as OP when taking single shots in "Continuous Low", both with Liveview on and off. I haven't actually tried without the lens on to see what is really going on, but what it seems like to me, is that the "shorter" shutter sound happens when I stab the shutter release very quickly (sounds same as normal single exposure), and the "longer" sound with more clicks happens if I am a bit slower to release my finger from the shutter release. What I assume is that when the release stays depressed a little longer, the camera begins preparing for the next exposure and closes the shutter again, but since you release it before it gets there, then it never actually takes it and just opens the shutter again to activate metering/liveview. Maybe tomorrow I will shoot some slow mo video of the shutter sequence. I have some time on my hands and some lenses/filters to test so I can kill a few birds with one stone.

Edited November 15, 2022 by matted

[itsmebanky]

44 minutes ago, matted said:

I just did a quick test and am hearing the same thing as OP when taking single shots in "Continuous Low", both with Liveview on and off. I haven't actually tried without the lens on to see what is really going on, but what it seems like to me, is that the "shorter" shutter sound happens when I stab the shutter release very quickly (sounds same as normal single exposure), and the "longer" sound with more clicks happens if I am a bit slower to release my finger from the shutter release. What I assume is that when the release stays depressed a little longer, the camera begins preparing for the next exposure and closes the shutter again, but since you release it before it gets there, then it never actually takes it and just opens the shutter again to activate metering/liveview. Maybe tomorrow I will shoot some slow mo video of the shutter sequence. I have some time on my hands and some lenses/filters to test so I can kill a few birds with one stone.

Thanks for confirming im not crazy! 

I don't have my camera with me. If the camera is in drive mode single shot, is the shutter sound consistent from one shot to the next?

[matted]

2 minutes ago, itsmebanky said:

Thanks for confirming im not crazy! 

I don't have my camera with me. If the camera is in drive mode single shot, is the shutter sound consistent from one shot to the next?

No problem. Yes, if I’m in single shot mode (which is where I always have mine) the shutter sound is consistent. 
 

In Continuous - Low (but only taking single shots) I can consistently replicate either a short/normal shutter behavior or a long shutter cycle just by varying how quickly I pull my finger off the trigger. I guess I’m slow, because my normal shutter action almost always results in either the extended shutter action, or a second exposure being made 😃

[Photoworks]

5 hours ago, itsmebanky said:

Anything you think I should do or check differently?

It is time to panic!

[itsmebanky]

Well this is embarrassing. I’ve just returned home and tested the camera in single shot. The shutter sound is consistent for each shot. 
 

it would appear the reason the shutter sound is not consistent on low speed is because of the timing of my finger release. In this mode my finger speed was consistent to replicate a long / short / long / short pattern.

happy to report I don’t think anything is actually wrong. 

[Tailwagger]

 

4 hours ago, itsmebanky said:

happy to report I don’t think anything is actually wrong

Glad to hear that, but assuming you've spent any time reading through the M11 LUF threads its not surprising you'd think there might be a problem given the general cloud of distrust hanging over the camera here. Personally, I tend not to worry about anything outside of the results I'm getting out of the camera. And in that regard, I'm not dissatisfied. Hopefully you won't be either. Best of luck with your new M. 

[Herr Barnack]

On 11/16/2022 at 6:09 PM, itsmebanky said:

Well this is embarrassing. I’ve just returned home and tested the camera in single shot. The shutter sound is consistent for each shot. 
 

it would appear the reason the shutter sound is not consistent on low speed is because of the timing of my finger release. In this mode my finger speed was consistent to replicate a long / short / long / short pattern.

happy to report I don’t think anything is actually wrong. 

@itsmebanky That's troubling news. 

You will need to send your shutter release finger off to Leica NJ to have it adjusted. 

Unfortunately you may be without it for weeks or months, depending on the backlog of repairs ahead of you.

Edited November 18, 2022 by Herr Barnack

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[Photoworks]

On 11/16/2022 at 6:09 PM, itsmebanky said:

Well this is embarrassing. I’ve just returned home and tested the camera in single shot. The shutter sound is consistent for each shot. 
 

it would appear the reason the shutter sound is not consistent on low speed is because of the timing of my finger release. In this mode my finger speed was consistent to replicate a long / short / long / short pattern.

happy to report I don’t think anything is actually wrong. 

for me it is the same, nothing wrong...

low speed changes with light changes, exposure.