Question Using Leica S007 and CZ 85 f1.4

[rollsman4]

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I have the Contax  85mm F1.4 lens that I want to use on the S007
  I used this with C/Y Adaptor on my Fuji GFX 50S ll with no problem ( Manual focus)
  Is there an adaptor that I can use to work on the Leica S007 and the Contax 85 1.4? and still cover the sensor  Thank you

  I am curious how the Image quality is using the Contax 645 Lenses on the S007( with Fringer adaptor)  

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[ynp]

6 hours ago, rollsman4 said:

I have the Contax  85mm F1.4 lens that I want to use on the S007
  I used this with C/Y Adaptor on my Fuji GFX 50S ll with no problem ( Manual focus)
  Is there an adaptor that I can use to work on the Leica S007 and the Contax 85 1.4? and still cover the sensor  Thank you

  I am curious how the Image quality is using the Contax 645 Lenses on the S007( with Fringer adaptor)  

The S flange distance will not allow the use of your Contax 85/1.4 lens on the 007. 
 

Fringer don’t want to work on the Leica S lenses to Fuji GFX cameras, I talked to them some time ago. And they do not manufacture any adapters for the S. 
 

There is a Leica S to Contax 645 adapter for the Contax 654 lenses. The image quality of the Contax 645 lenses is good enough to use them on the S platform, they are a bit more contrasty than the Leica lenses are  and some of them need to be stopped down a little. 
 

 

[BernardC]

You can't use Yashica/Contax lenses on the S, just like you can't use Leica's own R lenses on the S. They would hit the mirror if you could get them to fit.

FYI, the Hasselblad/Zeiss 2.0/110 provides the look of a Planar 1.4/85, scaled-up to fit the S. It's very different from the Summicron-S 100 f/2.0.

[mgrayson3]

You can use Contax 645, Hasselblad HC and V mount, Mamiya 645, Pentax 67, and, with a difficult to find adapter, Pentax 645 lenses on the S. The first two, Contax 645 and Hassy HC can AF, the rest are manual only. I think that's it. I have personally used them all with complete success with the exception of the Mamiya and Pentax 645.

Here is a Pentax 67 400mm f/4. Not a great lens (a LOT of CA), but it can be had for nothing on eBay. I just like that it makes the S look like an APS-C camera. (The ED-IF version is much better, but much heavier and more expensive. I mean 8 lbs? The one pictured is only 5.6 lbs. 🤨)

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The Hasselblad 250/5.6 and 350/5.6 Superachromats, OTOH are no joke and are optically as good as anything made today. This is with the 250/5.6 SA on an S3. Detail out-resolves the sensor.

Matt

PS. Totally agree about the Zeiss 110/2. It's a great addition to the S lineup. Unique look and very sharp, even at its dreamy f/2.

Edited November 13, 2022 by mgrayson3

[Sarnian]

1 hour ago, mgrayson3 said:

You can use Contax 645, Hasselblad HC and V mount, Mamiya 645, Pentax 67, and, with a difficult to find adapter, Pentax 645 lenses on the S.

...and L39 thread lenses with this Fotodiox adapter. I have it but so far I haven't tried any L39 lenses on it because I don't have any! Voigtlander produce their ultrawide Heliar's in L39 thread so would those work on the S (manual focus mode, of course)?

Edited November 13, 2022 by Sarnian

[mgrayson3]

19 minutes ago, Sarnian said:

...and L39 thread lenses with this Fotodiox adapter. I have it but so far I haven't tried any L39 lenses on it because I don't have any! Voigtlander produce their ultrawide Heliar's in L39 thread so would those work on the S (manual focus mode, of course)?

Are there L39 lenses with 4" flange distance? How are these going to focus at infinity? I mean, they'll mount, but unless these lenses are meant for 4x5 film, I don't think they'll focus more than a foot from the camera.

[BernardC]

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14 minutes ago, mgrayson3 said:

Are there L39 lenses with 4" flange distance?

Visoflex I lenses might, as well as some 1950s Kilfitt telephotos that were designed for Kilfitt's reflex mirror housings.

 

I have the same adapter with a Hasselblad V mount, which I use on a Hasselblad bellows for copy work (4x5 and 8x10 inch film on a light box). Most enlarging lenses (up-to 105mm) have a L39 thread.

 

 

[mgrayson3]

46 minutes ago, BernardC said:

Visoflex I lenses might, as well as some 1950s Kilfitt telephotos that were designed for Kilfitt's reflex mirror housings.

 

I have the same adapter with a Hasselblad V mount, which I use on a Hasselblad bellows for copy work (4x5 and 8x10 inch film on a light box). Most enlarging lenses (up-to 105mm) have a L39 thread.

 

 

Oh, for macro or copy-work, I agree. I have the same mount for my Novoflex bellows. 

[John McMaster]

3 hours ago, BernardC said:

You can't use Yashica/Contax lenses on the S, just like you can't use Leica's own R lenses on the S.

 

You can use some of the longer R lenses, things like the 280/4 with 1.4x converter focus to infinity without any modification.  I sometimes use the 70-180/2.8 on my S (at closer distances) as it gives a very different look to S lenses...

john

[Stuart Richardson]

On 11/13/2022 at 12:58 PM, mgrayson3 said:

 

PS. Totally agree about the Zeiss 110/2. It's a great addition to the S lineup. Unique look and very sharp, even at its dreamy f/2.

The 110mm F2 is a great lens and really amazing for its bokeh. It was my favorite lens on film for years. Stopped down it is a good lens. I would not call it sharp at f2, however. When I first started the S I bought a V adapter and used my version of the lens. I found that at f2 there was a lot of coma and color fringing on the S sensor. I eventually got the 120mm APO Summicron and found that it was sharper at 2.5 than the 110mm was at 5.6. I would agree if you want an atomospheric lens for portraiture, the 110mm f2 is a good choice...it is even more lovely on film. That said, the way that the prices have come down on used S gear, I would not be surprised if you could occasionally find the 120mm for the same price or less, and optically it is so much better it is not even close. Zero fringing, zero coma, zero loca, zero distortion and dramatically sharper at all apertures until diffraction comes in to play. Also a native lens with AF and much closer focus etc. I think the best use case for the 110mm on the S is for portraits.

Edited November 23, 2022 by Stuart Richardson

[mgrayson3]

1 hour ago, Stuart Richardson said:

The 110mm F2 is a great lens and really amazing for its bokeh. It was my favorite lens on film for years. Stopped down it is a good lens. I would not call it sharp at f2, however. When I first started the S I bought a V adapter and used my version of the lens. I found that at f2 there was a lot of coma and color fringing on the S sensor. I eventually got the 120mm APO Summicron and found that it was sharper at 2.5 than the 110mm was at 5.6. I would agree if you want an atomospheric lens for portraiture, the 110mm f2 is a good choice...it is even more lovely on film. That said, the way that the prices have come down on used S gear, I would not be surprised if you could occasionally find the 120mm for the same price or less, and optically it is so much better it is not even close. Zero fringing, zero coma, zero loca, zero distortion and dramatically sharper at all apertures until diffraction comes in to play. Also a native lens with AF and much closer focus etc. I think the best use case for the 110mm on the S is for portraits.

Stuart,

I agree completely about portrait use, but I seldom shoot portraits, so was testing it for nonstandard subjects.

Here are center and edge images with the 110/2 wide open on distant skyscrapers (that's the Empire State Building in the background). While there is a LOT of color fringing and aberration, the detail is there, including sharp antennae. The HC 100/2.2, on the other hand, has field curvature and the edges are actually softer. The modern S (or Fuji or Hasselblad) lenses are vastly cleaner and a bit sharper, but this dreamy look is unique.

And yes, the S120/2.5 is one of the great lenses - perfect for macro, landscape, and portrait (if you prefer a sharper rolloff than the S100/2, which I do). I usually carry just the S24 and S120 😎.

Entire scene with S100/2. The buildings are about 1 mile away. Gitzo 5 series, 2 second delay, the usual.

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Center with Zeiss 110/2 wide open

Right edge with Zeiss 110/2

In contrast, the S100/2 wide open. Some fringing, but much less.

Best,

Matt

Edited November 23, 2022 by mgrayson3

[Stuart Richardson]

You're right Matt, it is better than I remembered. That said, I think there is still a large difference. For me the fuzziness and especially color fringing are not the nice kind of lens errors. It can be correctable on edges, but LOCA is harder to fix. I went back to the test I ran back in the day on the S2, and here are some comparisons of the 110 to the 120, both wide open. The sharper files are the 120mm. This is on the S2. The difference would be greater on the S3. In my test, the S 120 still has more contrast and sharpness on the point of focus wide open than the 110mm does at 5.6. That said, I would agree that the 110mm is sharp, and by 5.6 it is certainly sharp enough for normal use. These seem to be the Leica on top and the Zeiss on the bottom, but if that is not the orientation for all, the Leica is the sharper of the two (I confirmed with the exif). Taken out of the window of my old apartment 11 years ago, in the gloomy time of year, which we are currently in.

 

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Edited November 23, 2022 by Stuart Richardson

[mgrayson3]

Yes, I was comparing it to the S100. The S120 is in its own class. More like the modern Summicrons for the SL.