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1 hour ago, jonoslack said:

 

Leica have completely revamped the supply chain for components so that they should be able to produce the cameras quickly, and be able to repair them for the foreseeable future.

     

@jonoslack As always, great article & photos. Did you find anything out about the new M6 sharing internals with the MP? I'm curious if the two use the same circuit boards, light meter, etc. My hope is they share all the important internals for long term support reasons. I'm really glad Leica is committed to film + digital.

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Great article, especially with three of your local hens and your lovely granddaughter as the lead-in picture.  I recognize several of the other pictures in the article as having previously been shown without full disclosure of their provenance.

 

But I have to ask about the handsome goat (no, not a joke).  Is he just a Cretan passer-by, or a member of your extended family, whom we can expect to see again?

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Thanks for the review, Jono! How do you like the 2 lens hoods? Do you prefer the circular hood more, or no hood at all?

The photos of the chicken/birds and the handrails near the end of the review seem quite soft. Would you say that the image is soft especially when the subject is close to the minimum focus distance?

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1 hour ago, Crem said:

@jonoslack As always, great article & photos. Did you find anything out about the new M6 sharing internals with the MP? I'm curious if the two use the same circuit boards, light meter, etc. My hope is they share all the important internals for long term support reasons. I'm really glad Leica is committed to film + digital.

Hi There Crem

As I understand it . . the problem Leica have making the MP (and the M-A to a lesser extent) is that many of the parts were made by suppliers who no longer exist, so creating another camera with the same internals would be pretty stupid.

So the M6 is substantially different - I guess Leica are producing the printed circuit boards themselves in Portugal, but I don't know for sure.

I would have thought a more likely (and better) solution would be if they now changed the MP a little to take advantage of the modern supply chain for the M6. . . . but I don't know this. What I do know is that they shouldn't have too much trouble producing the M6 in substantial numbers and then being able to supply spares for many years to come.

best

Jono

 

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11 minutes ago, scott kirkpatrick said:

Great article, especially with three of your local hens and your lovely granddaughter as the lead-in picture.  I recognize several of the other pictures in the article as having previously been shown without full disclosure of their provenance.

 

But I have to ask about the handsome goat (no, not a joke).  Is he just a Cretan passer-by, or a member of your extended family, whom we can expect to see again?

Hmm yes - actually some confusion about exif information on some of the images (because in the early days the camera didn't recognise the 6 bit coding, so that, for instance, the lead picture actually says it was taken with the 90 elmarit! (another uncoded lens I have). There is also the picture of the legs on a boat, which somehow got into the 35 CF article, but is actually take with the steel rim. (I expect some questions!).

The handsome goat is just a Cretan passer - by (I've managed to avoid them at home!).

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Jono

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8 minutes ago, Habbable said:

I’m confused why their design prohibits filters on the steel rim? For me, the size of this lens was appealing, but with a hood (for filters) not so much.

It doesn't now - you can put filters directly on to the lens (where the round lens hood screws in) . . . it was the original that needed the hood.

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Thank you, Jono, and, as ever, the photographs in your review are the best and most enjoyable evidence in support of it.

I have the v2 of the Summilux from 1977. Although I'd be curious to know how it differs in performance from the v1, I will not be getting this new one, though I might have done if it had come out before I bought mine. The SL Summicrons (and Q2) are where I now go for bleeding edge modern performance, and my remaining M lenses are all old designs - the Summilux 35 v2, Summilux 50 v2 and Thambar-M - and I have a Summilux-M 75 on the way! It is the Summilux-M 35 v2 that is most in use though: on my M4 with Portra.

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7 minutes ago, jonoslack said:

It doesn't now - you can put filters directly on to the lens (where the round lens hood screws in) . . . it was the original that needed the hood.

The E46 filter thread is a game changer in my mind. Been shooting a 1969 V2 for a year, but the obscure filter size makes it frustrating in practice.

Thank you for the thoughtful piece. 

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22 minutes ago, jonoslack said:

Hi There Crem

As I understand it . . the problem Leica have making the MP (and the M-A to a lesser extent) is that many of the parts were made by suppliers who no longer exist, so creating another camera with the same internals would be pretty stupid.

So the M6 is substantially different - I guess Leica are producing the printed circuit boards themselves in Portugal, but I don't know for sure.

I would have thought a more likely (and better) solution would be if they now changed the MP a little to take advantage of the modern supply chain for the M6. . . . but I don't know this. What I do know is that they shouldn't have too much trouble producing the M6 in substantial numbers and then being able to supply spares for many years to come.

best

Jono

 

Much appreciated @jonoslack! As an engineer myself I have been skeptical that the new M6 is an MP on the inside for the exact reason you mentioned (electronics specifically). It just doesn't make sense to be stuck with boards designed in 2003 purely from a supply chain point of view. I'm glad you helped clear up that rumor! Hopefully this also means they have lots of spares to keep my MP running for many years ago come. 🙏

  -Chad

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2 minutes ago, blaze said:

I bought a mint original boxed with Ollux hood for £830. I sold it for £830 . Biggest mistake I ever made. Just ordered ( hopefully ) the new version , I’m excited again 👍

I'm sure that you'll love it! (and that must have been a little while ago!)

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24 minutes ago, jonoslack said:

It doesn't now - you can put filters directly on to the lens (where the round lens hood screws in) . . . it was the original that needed the hood.

Thank you for your response!
 

I was told over the phone by a Leica dealer that the only way to use filters is inside the hood. On this reissue lens, the steel rim appears to have threads, but can you relay whether these are cosmetic or can actually take a filter? 

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Having had a little exposure to product planning, I wondered about recreating an older product vs. refreshing the last of an old line (the MP-r vs newM6 decision).  At IBM, I don't think offering a "360 reissue" would attract anything but laughter.  Thanks to Moore's Law, my cheap Android phone has far more power than the 360s I used in the 1970s or the Cray-1 I envied then.  But to provide the right setting for some charming lenses, it makes perfect sense to go back to a legendary film Leica, the first with an internal exposure meter.  And redoing the internals not only to replace vanished suppliers, but to keep the costs to where the product will be profitable.  Frankly, wouldn't any of us prefer to rock an M6 with the nice angled rewind knob over a patched-up later film Leica that looks no different than the digital ones?

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38 minutes ago, jonoslack said:

Hi There Crem

As I understand it . . the problem Leica have making the MP (and the M-A to a lesser extent) is that many of the parts were made by suppliers who no longer exist, so creating another camera with the same internals would be pretty stupid.

So the M6 is substantially different - I guess Leica are producing the printed circuit boards themselves in Portugal, but I don't know for sure.

I would have thought a more likely (and better) solution would be if they now changed the MP a little to take advantage of the modern supply chain for the M6. . . . but I don't know this. What I do know is that they shouldn't have too much trouble producing the M6 in substantial numbers and then being able to supply spares for many years to come.

best

Jono

 

Do you think this means an older M6 with a dead meter would accept the new M6 meter board?

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