Espinasse Posted August 29, 2022 Share #1 Posted August 29, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) Among my several R lenses, my Summilux 80mm has been the favourite, and certainly the most frequently used. I have owned it since 1988. Earlier this year I was alarmed to discover that part of the lens mechanism had detached itself, and upon investigation discovered that the part had fractured. It is pictured in front of the lens, and I have introduced a piece of transparent plastic to make the fracture visible. I have no idea what function this part performs, which way up it should be in relation to the lens, and whether it is advisable to attempt a repair myself or to entrust it to a qualified technician. Am I the first to have experienced this? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/336104-summilux-r-80mm-a-mystery-component-fractures/?do=findComment&comment=4499375'>More sharing options...
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a.noctilux Posted August 29, 2022 Share #2 Posted August 29, 2022 Strange that this part broke like this. Comparing to my Summilux-R, the broken part (here) is in about 60% around the rearmost black ring. It protrudes about 1mm more from the rearmost ring. I ignore its function, maybe some kind of protection ( or avoiding flare when the lens is in close focus) as when I push to see if it's metal made, it moves a bit with pressure. While I turn the focus ring, the optical block moves, this part stays fix. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinasse Posted August 29, 2022 Author Share #3 Posted August 29, 2022 Thank you for your comments. I believe the 'mystery component' is made of some form of plastic: it is very, very light and is matt black in colour. Having just read the Leica Wiki article on LEICA REFLEX CAMS AND COUPLINGS, leads me to wonder whether I caused the fracture by attempting to mount the lens on my Leicaflex SL2 (it usually resides on my R6). My Summilux R 35mm can certainly not be mounted on the Leicaflex SL2 ( Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! no matter how hard I wish it could!). Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! no matter how hard I wish it could!). ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/336104-summilux-r-80mm-a-mystery-component-fractures/?do=findComment&comment=4499426'>More sharing options...
hepcat Posted August 30, 2022 Share #4 Posted August 30, 2022 Doing a little research, apparently there are some 80mm Summiluxes that are "R" body only lens, and they supposedly can't be fitted to the older bodies. Perhaps yours is one of those. I have no personal experience with anything but 2 and 3 cam lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted August 30, 2022 Share #5 Posted August 30, 2022 (edited) Hello Espinasse, Welcome to the Forum. It is too bad about your lens. You might try looking at the other side of the lens from where you look down at the "." just under the 1,4 when you are holding the camera & lens.. Many "R" only lenses will have something like "For Leica R only" written there. Sometimes engraved & then filled with white. Sometimes engraved & all black. With both the engraving & the rest of the lens barrel around the engraving being black. Best Regards, Michael Edited August 30, 2022 by Michael Geschlecht 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinasse Posted August 31, 2022 Author Share #6 Posted August 31, 2022 Thank you Hepcat, Thank you Michael, There is no engraving -other than the 'paint filled' "LENS MADE IN GERMANY E67". I have attached an image of the 'cam end' of these lenses (the R80 is on the left) and they are clearly different. Reconsidering the cause of the mystery component's fracture, I now doubt that it was the act of mounting it on the Leicaflex SL2 that was the cause: over the many years since its purchase, although primarily used on my R6 it will have been used on my Leicaflex SL (my first Leitz camera, previously owned, purchased from Birmingham Camera Michigan in 1979) many times. My concerns regarding the incompatibility of the Summilux R35 re-surfaced recently as I am considering the purchase of a Summilux R50 (II), and naturally wondered if it, too, would be incompatible with the Leicaflex SL2 (and SL). Much as I like my R6, I favour the match-needle metering on the older cameras Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/336104-summilux-r-80mm-a-mystery-component-fractures/?do=findComment&comment=4500323'>More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted August 31, 2022 Share #7 Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello Epinasse, The lens which is shown at the top has 2 cams & should be workable on all Leicaflex & Leica "R" cameras, unless it has something protruding from the back of lens. The lens on the bottom only has the 3rd cam. Unless it was modified, it is designed to only work on "R" cameras. Best Regards, Michael Edited August 31, 2022 by Michael Geschlecht Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinasse Posted August 31, 2022 Author Share #8 Posted August 31, 2022 Thank you Michael. What is your opinion on the compatibility of the Summilux R50 (II) -the second version Summilux from 1999, in respect of the Leicaflex SL2? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted August 31, 2022 Share #9 Posted August 31, 2022 Hello Espinasse, I am not sure. It might be a good idea to look at the cams & what is written or/& not written on the lens & then proceed from there. Best Regards, Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinasse Posted August 31, 2022 Author Share #10 Posted August 31, 2022 Very happy to have joined this forum...something I should have done long ago. I am impressed at the manner in which it is organised, and have learned much since joining. Despite my long use of Leitz equipment (projectors, enlargers, cameras) my 'information base' had been restricted to the user manuals that I have accumulated over the years. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted August 31, 2022 Share #11 Posted August 31, 2022 4 hours ago, Espinasse said: the compatibility of the Summilux R50 (II) -the second version Summilux from 1999, in respect of the Leicaflex SL2? From Wiki, Summilux-R 50mm (II) would not be compatible with Leicaflex SL2 https://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/50mm_f/1.4_Summilux-R_II only from R3 to R9, so R only. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinasse Posted August 31, 2022 Author Share #12 Posted August 31, 2022 Merci Arnaud, Je m'en doutais... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hepcat Posted August 31, 2022 Share #13 Posted August 31, 2022 8 hours ago, Espinasse said: Thank you Hepcat, Thank you Michael, There is no engraving -other than the 'paint filled' "LENS MADE IN GERMANY E67". I have attached an image of the 'cam end' of these lenses (the R80 is on the left) and they are clearly different. Reconsidering the cause of the mystery component's fracture, I now doubt that it was the act of mounting it on the Leicaflex SL2 that was the cause: over the many years since its purchase, although primarily used on my R6 it will have been used on my Leicaflex SL (my first Leitz camera, previously owned, purchased from Birmingham Camera Michigan in 1979) many times. My concerns regarding the incompatibility of the Summilux R35 re-surfaced recently as I am considering the purchase of a Summilux R50 (II), and naturally wondered if it, too, would be incompatible with the Leicaflex SL2 (and SL). Much as I like my R6, I favour the match-needle metering on the older cameras Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I will echo that of the others. the top lens in this photo is a three cam. The bottom lens is a 3rd cam (stepped cam only) lens lacking the first and second cams that allow for use on Leicaflex bodies. The three cam lenses are backwards compatible to the SL and SL2. The 3rd cam only lenses are not backwards compatible and can only be used on R bodies. Stick with the three cam lenses if you want to use them on all of your R mount bodies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted September 1, 2022 Share #14 Posted September 1, 2022 The plastic that came loose serves as an anti reflective baffle when in the 'close focus' range. Without it when focused at let's say 0.7m light might reflect off of the cams or other parts inside the lens. In my Summilux-R 80mm "LEITZ WETZLAR" 30546xx serial the piece of plastic is attached to the lens with 3 flat head screws. Your seems to have only been attached with 1 screw. Unless I'm mistaken. Please see attached a picture of my lens at close focus distance, with the screws shown. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/336104-summilux-r-80mm-a-mystery-component-fractures/?do=findComment&comment=4500933'>More sharing options...
jip Posted September 1, 2022 Share #15 Posted September 1, 2022 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/336104-summilux-r-80mm-a-mystery-component-fractures/?do=findComment&comment=4500934'>More sharing options...
Espinasse Posted September 2, 2022 Author Share #16 Posted September 2, 2022 Thank you jip, I have examined the 'mystery part' with the aid of magnification and a strong light, and also examined the area of the lens where the part should sit where three screws are asymmetrically positioned; two of these screws appear to be retaining something small directly under their heads. The 'mystery part' shows signs upon its circumference -at points which match the location of two of the screws, that something once was there... I shall do some tests at close focus to establish the extent to which the operation of my lens has been compromised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted September 2, 2022 Share #17 Posted September 2, 2022 You'll probably barely notice it, if at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
telyt Posted September 5, 2022 Share #18 Posted September 5, 2022 (edited) On 8/31/2022 at 12:08 PM, hepcat said: ... three cam lenses are backwards compatible to the SL and SL2... Not entirely correct. 3-cam lenses may be used on the SL2 but not all may be used on the SL. 3-cam lenses which cannot be used on the SL protrude too far into the mirror box and would cause damage if used on the SL. These lenses have a slightly different bayonet flange which prevents the lens from being used on the SL. The mystery part is a light/dust baffle made of plastic and originally mounted with three tiny screws. This part can break with age, leaving the screws and tiny bits of the plastic baffle behind at the rear of the lens. Several of the older lenses use a metal baffle which is far less prone to breakage. Edited September 5, 2022 by telyt 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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